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  • OT: Just Starting to read Kurzweil's "The Singularity is Near"

    Anyone else read it yet?

    Anyone excited about the movie?

    What do you personally think that the "singularity" is going to be?

    http://www.singularity.com/

  • #2
    Reaching for the singularity has stunted actual progress in posthumanism
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    • #3
      Reaching for the singularity has stunted actual progress in posthumanism


      Example?

      I just got through the first chapter at work today, so I have no context for that statement. Please explain. My understanding was that the singularity is inevitable regardless of any conscious effort to reach it.

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      • #4
        Once upon a time, there was an insane father of 3 teenage sons.

        In his madness, he rendered one of the sons blind and deaf, but left him with the gift of speech.
        He rendered the second son blind and mute, but left him with the gift of hearing.
        He rendered the third son deaf and mute, but left him with the gift of sight.

        He then locked the 3 sons to starve in a vast room with only a telephone. The telephone only made the sound of screaming. But screaming as long and as loud as possible into the telephone would free the sons from the vast room.

        Given those conditions, would the 3 sons figure out how to be free, and how?

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        • #5
          I'll come clean, I've read about the ideas but not kurzweil's book

          Well, the idea that the singularity will just happen and there's no need to make any effort to ingratiate ourselves with technology is frankly IMO a recipe for lazy stagnation

          There are already improvements technology would allow us to make to the human body but nobody's interested, all effort is put into repairing people back to "normality" with no motivation anywhere for improvements for the mainstream

          If we can restore sight digitally to the blind imagine what we could do to the sighted
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          I gave stuff to Melx for free and nothing bad happened

          (Formerly known as Hides-His-Eyes)

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          • #6
            I'll come clean, I've read about the ideas but not kurzweil's book

            Well, the idea that the singularity will just happen and there's no need to make any effort to ingratiate ourselves with technology is frankly IMO a recipe for lazy stagnation

            There are already improvements technology would allow us to make to the human body but nobody's interested, all effort is put into repairing people back to "normality" with no motivation anywhere for improvements for the mainstream

            If we can restore sight digitally to the blind imagine what we could do to the sighted


            Correct me if I'm wrong, but Kurtweil's concept is not that it will happen whether we try or not, in a destiny sort of scenario, but rather that the exponentially advancing technology society at some point will demand it. The point at which the human brain can no longer keep up with the speed of advancement nor skill required to operate/wield it is the point at which the singularity must occur in order to continue with the advancement of our civilization. If we look at the decreasing age of digital "acceptance" (my 5 year old can operate a mouse and plays video games yet can't read yet) and the increases in artificial intelligence and robotics, one can only imagine society in a generation or two...
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            • #7

              There are already improvements technology would allow us to make to the human body but nobody's interested, all effort is put into repairing people back to "normality" with no motivation anywhere for improvements for the mainstream

              If we can restore sight digitally to the blind imagine what we could do to the sighted


              The age-old discussion of every new technology is ethical application. Technological advancements are already faster than our ability to democratically process the ethical evaluation of the consequences.

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              • #8
                Correct me if I'm wrong, but Kurtweil's concept is not that it will happen whether we try or not, in a destiny sort of scenario, but rather that the exponentially advancing technology society at some point will demand it. The point at which the human brain can no longer keep up with the speed of advancement nor skill required to operate/wield it is the point at which the singularity must occur in order to continue with the advancement of our civilization. If we look at the decreasing age of digital "acceptance" (my 5 year old can operate a mouse and plays video games yet can't read yet) and the increases in artificial intelligence and robotics, one can only imagine society in a generation or two...


                Well said

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                • #9
                  I don't see that there's any ethical difference between using technology to restore sight to mainstream levels and using it to improve it
                  Good times rolled with:

                  WAWBanks, RadioSilence, theboywho, ponch, fruvai, joeyowen, jah_vengeance, sparkfriction, HeartfeltDawn, robw, tvrf21...

                  I gave stuff to Melx for free and nothing bad happened

                  (Formerly known as Hides-His-Eyes)

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                  • #10
                    If we look at the decreasing age of digital "acceptance" (my 5 year old can operate a mouse and plays video games yet can't read yet) and the increases in artificial intelligence and robotics, one can only imagine society in a generation or two...


                    This is related to my line of profession. I teach other teachers how to teach technology to children (yes, I know )

                    I struggle to help older generations make mental connections between processes. And they are frustrated that children make the random connections faster than they can.

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                    • #11
                      I don't see that there's any ethical difference between using technology to restore sight to mainstream levels and using it to improve it


                      Sorry, I was expounding into a larger topic. I assumed that you were talking about a kind of Gattaca scenario where only the rich could genetically or technologically have access to perfect vision.

                      Where are you seeing resistance to improving sight through technology?

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                      • #12
                        Not so much resistance as a complete absence of interest; I think that's reflective of attitudes rather than a lack of scope for research
                        Good times rolled with:

                        WAWBanks, RadioSilence, theboywho, ponch, fruvai, joeyowen, jah_vengeance, sparkfriction, HeartfeltDawn, robw, tvrf21...

                        I gave stuff to Melx for free and nothing bad happened

                        (Formerly known as Hides-His-Eyes)

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                        • #13
                          Haven't read that book, but I have been excited about the singularity and post-humanism for almost a decade. Accelerando is an awesome novel that examines some of the future tech that may change our very world view. Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex is also pretty great with that kind of stuff. Personally, I'm looking forward to having an exocortex.
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                          • #14
                            Haven't read that book, but I have been excited about the singularity and post-humanism for almost a decade. Accelerando is an awesome novel that examines some of the future tech that may change our very world view. Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex is also pretty great with that kind of stuff. Personally, I'm looking forward to having an exocortex.


                            I never finished reading Neuromancer, and really should, though it's a bit outdated now. I love the first Ghost In The Shell movie, but never saw Stand Alone Complex. I'll have to check that out too.

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                            • #15
                              When I first read this I thought it was the company putting out an amazing new easy to use rack effect unit.
                              http://www.guitarampboard.com/index.php

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