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  • Already suggested, but you might have lost it in the sea of omni posts. Honestly on the first page I thought he was having a conversation with himself.


    Yeah, I kind of skimmed. So this was a bad choice? Seems like the right pedal to me. Possibly also a Wylie Ironstone.
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    • Seriously, try a different speaker or even tube combination.
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      • For a while, I owned an FEA Labs "Growler". I was looking for an overdrive sound on my bass, but I didn't want any distortion. The Growler added an extra harmonic to the signal, giving the sound more girth and growl, but without distorting. If the OP is wanting more growl and girth, but not actual distortion, I highly recommend layering harmonics and octaves to you sound.
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        • WCR Goodwood pickups.
          Originally Posted by GarysBlues


          Fact is he passed away many years ago.
          But he's a Living Legend for sure.









          Originally Posted by Stubacca


          This kid is seriously and idiot!

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          • WCR Goodwood pickups.


            They don't make an F spaced bridge for my LP.

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            • Seriously, try a different speaker or even tube combination.


              A speaker swap can have a huge influence on the way the amp sounds - this is actually a very good suggestion to consider IMHO, but the problem with it is finding speaker(s) that are very similar to his current one(s), but with more snarl and growl. There's also the question of their relative efficiency - if the replacement speakers are significantly different in that regard, the volume level of the amp will be affected; more efficient speakers will sound louder while less efficient ones will sound quieter, even if they tonally have more growl and snarl.

              IOW, IMHO this suggestion has merit as a possible solution to your problem omni, but would require significant amount of research, testing and work on your part, and with no absolute guarantee that you'll find speakers that you like better than what you already use. But yes, speakers make a HUGE difference to the sound and response of any amp - probably as much or moreso than any other single factor.
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              • I reckon he should change only half of his speakers to get a good blend between same and different.
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                • if you want more growl and snarl, buy a dog. if you want better guitar tone, ditch the rectumfrier.
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                  • if you want more growl and snarl, buy a dog. if you want better guitar tone, ditch the rectumfrier.


                    I've been trying to be nice... some folks really like them a lot, but while I've recorded a bunch of them, I've never been that crazy about the way they sound. A lot of it is the way that many people dial them up, but even when I tweak them myself, I'm not fully satisfied with what I get either. And I've owned several Mesas over the years, so it's not like I don't "get" and like their amps.

                    But what you or I think of the amp isn't important - omni seems to like it. He's not looking for a drastic change in his sound, just "more" - gutsier, with more snarl and growl. Or was that more growl and snarl? Anyway, more attitude. I suspect more sparkle and harmonic complexity too, with a dB or two of added level for the nice psycho-acoustical "louder is better!" adrenaline kick, but I don't want to try to speak for the man... but that's kind of what it sounds like to me. And the thing is, I'm not sure what he's hearing in his mind's ear, so I can't really tell him how to get it.

                    Talking about sound and music can be difficult. It's frustrating for all concerned because words are insufficient to describe the sounds we can hear or imagine.
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                    - George Carlin

                    "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

                    - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                    "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

                    - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                    • I reckon he should change only half of his speakers to get a good blend between same and different.


                      That's probably a good idea.
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                      "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

                      - George Carlin

                      "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

                      - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                      "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

                      - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                      • Troll from Maps probably. 2/10
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                        • Oh, it's a rectifier? Can't remember if it's been mentioned, but what power tubes?
                          Originally Posted by telephant


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                          • didnt read all the posts/suggestions... but in my duo recti time i always playd with tube screamers in front. Sure the most time for boosting... but if you set the amp right you can turn the drive/gain on the tube screamer a bit to "color" the tone in a good way.

                            in my experience is the rectifier not a really "easy" amp - you can get a lot from this amps - but the tweaking is way "different" IIRC. i changed pretty fast to a rivera Knucklehead at that time. ...paired with a JCM800 a. a reverb deluxe for the cleans... w00t.
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                            • I don't want to try to speak for the man... but that's kind of what it sounds like to me. And the thing is, I'm not sure what he's hearing in his mind's ear, so I can't really tell him how to get it.


                              "Hey guys, what's this tone I hear in my head?"

                              Kind of like guess the number I'm thinking of, but without any incentive

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                              • If there were a pedal that barely changed the sound and yet made it better, almost everyone would be using it. It can be hard to add something without losing something.

                                Omni dismisses entire categories of pedals out of hand. This makes it even more unlikely he will find what he is looking for. True, 9/10s of any pedal category are ones that do too much at any setting. That leaves a few hundred possibilities.

                                Real suggestions:
                                Check guitar for 250K pots; changing one or both to 500K opens up some top end.
                                Dirt with clean mix -- almost all clean in front of more dirt can add extra seething sound (and lots of sustain).
                                Chorus with mix level (effects loop) -- too many use choruses to kind of smooth off the sound, but can have some good effect on distorted tones.
                                Amp tweaks.
                                Sonic Stomp -- FWIW, is aimed at this application.
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