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  • #31






    Quote Originally Posted by Prehistoricpain
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    I'm not going to some big chain store, it's a family owned shop where I've spent a great deal of money I guess I just expected more.




    In that case I'd expect a setup and would let them know.
    Cause sometimes the rhetoric don't go with the contents

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    • #32
      I rarely expect a guitar to be set up, and hardly consider it predatory or - lol - discriminatory when it isn't. I also expect to perform an oil/fluid change when I buy a car, and to remove/install some basic programs when I buy a computer. That said, I still consider these kind of things when it comes to paying a premium at Mom & Pop stores.
      I'm in a band called Little Sluggers. Signature.

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      • #33
        I rarely expect a guitar to be set up, and hardly consider it predatory or - lol - discriminatory when it isn't. I also expect to perform an oil/fluid change when I buy a car, and to remove/install some basic programs when I buy a computer. That said, I still consider these kind of things when it comes to paying a premium at Mom & Pop stores.
        I'm in a band called Little Sluggers. Signature.

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        • #34
          Here is the way I look at it.



          I needed a spare television for a guest room when we bought our new house. I went to Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Target and BJs. I looked at some reviews/forums and ended up purchasing a tv from Amazon because it was cheaper due to free shipping and no tax.



          When I spoke to the clerks at these places most of them were idiots who knew as much/less then I did. I don't really expect any more because they're low wage earners and as such I don't expect them to have a lot of knowledge.



          We have a home theatre in our home. When we built the house it cost about $50,000 to buy the equipment, get it installed/configured, furnish the room and do the acoustic treatment. I hired a place that specializes in home audio systems and asked tons of questions and went over a bunch of ideas with them.



          Now when I was looking for the second tv the place that did our install actually had a similar model to what I ended up buying in stock. The cost was almost twice as much as it was from Amazon, but that included delivery, setup, etc.... At the end of the day I probably could have got them down to Amazon's price or a little more because I have done a lot of business with them but I didn't bother because I did not need the service and was shopping for the lowest cost solution.



          When I buy studio gear I usually buy from the same place and have a good relationship with the people there. Some things are a little more then they would be at GC (if they carry it) but the ability to deal with a person who is not a moron is worth the cost.



          You can usually get the best price or the best service. Very few places will have both but many people find value in service and will pay a little more for it.

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          • #35
            Here is the way I look at it.



            I needed a spare television for a guest room when we bought our new house. I went to Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Target and BJs. I looked at some reviews/forums and ended up purchasing a tv from Amazon because it was cheaper due to free shipping and no tax.



            When I spoke to the clerks at these places most of them were idiots who knew as much/less then I did. I don't really expect any more because they're low wage earners and as such I don't expect them to have a lot of knowledge.



            We have a home theatre in our home. When we built the house it cost about $50,000 to buy the equipment, get it installed/configured, furnish the room and do the acoustic treatment. I hired a place that specializes in home audio systems and asked tons of questions and went over a bunch of ideas with them.



            Now when I was looking for the second tv the place that did our install actually had a similar model to what I ended up buying in stock. The cost was almost twice as much as it was from Amazon, but that included delivery, setup, etc.... At the end of the day I probably could have got them down to Amazon's price or a little more because I have done a lot of business with them but I didn't bother because I did not need the service and was shopping for the lowest cost solution.



            When I buy studio gear I usually buy from the same place and have a good relationship with the people there. Some things are a little more then they would be at GC (if they carry it) but the ability to deal with a person who is not a moron is worth the cost.



            You can usually get the best price or the best service. Very few places will have both but many people find value in service and will pay a little more for it.

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            • #36






              Quote Originally Posted by Prehistoricpain
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              it to be setup? Both guitars had a deposit put down on them and 2 weeks between the down payment and pick up. And neither was setup at all. No truss rod adjustment, no height or intonation done. Is it just me or is this totally ****************ed up?




              It's pretty lame but regardless of a set up I always end up setting up guitars myself. I also tune lower than E so I have to mod the nut for heavier strings and **************** but even if I didn't do that, I've only had one guitar in the history of my guitar playing set up in a way I liked.
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              • #37






                Quote Originally Posted by Prehistoricpain
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                it to be setup? Both guitars had a deposit put down on them and 2 weeks between the down payment and pick up. And neither was setup at all. No truss rod adjustment, no height or intonation done. Is it just me or is this totally ****************ed up?




                It's pretty lame but regardless of a set up I always end up setting up guitars myself. I also tune lower than E so I have to mod the nut for heavier strings and **************** but even if I didn't do that, I've only had one guitar in the history of my guitar playing set up in a way I liked.
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                • #38






                  Quote Originally Posted by Trick Fall
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                  Phil even when I was a snot nosed punk who knew ven less then I know now I always insisted that everyone go and get a good setup done before going into the studio.




                  I tell people and tell people... emphasizing the importance of stuff like this, and am amazed again and again when they fail to heed my advice. It's certainly not everyone, but enough to be noticeable. And since they were cautioned about it in advance, there shouldn't be any. But yet, there are.



                  I keep a few basic things onhand. I normally am not going to stop and solder something unless it means the halt of the session otherwise, but if a bridge saddle's buzzing, or a truss rod needs a twist, I'll stop and take the few minutes needed to fix it. Remove the distraction, kill the unwanted noise, make the musicians more comfortable and move on.



                  Frankly, drummers are worse. Not the good ones. They know what's up and how to deal with their gear. And there's a lot to be said for finding and hiring a good tech to go over your gear before an important session. But there are a ton of "drummers" who don't even know how to tune their own instruments. Every engineer needs to know how to not only mic a kit, but reskin it and tune it and get it sounding good - or at least as good as the shells / bearing edges and hardware (not to mention drummer) will allow. The worst gear I've ever seen coming in was all drum stuff. That's why I got a kit. Which coincidentally, is pictured in this month's (Feb 2013) issue of Electronic Musician magazine.
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                  • #39






                    Quote Originally Posted by Trick Fall
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                    Phil even when I was a snot nosed punk who knew ven less then I know now I always insisted that everyone go and get a good setup done before going into the studio.




                    I tell people and tell people... emphasizing the importance of stuff like this, and am amazed again and again when they fail to heed my advice. It's certainly not everyone, but enough to be noticeable. And since they were cautioned about it in advance, there shouldn't be any. But yet, there are.



                    I keep a few basic things onhand. I normally am not going to stop and solder something unless it means the halt of the session otherwise, but if a bridge saddle's buzzing, or a truss rod needs a twist, I'll stop and take the few minutes needed to fix it. Remove the distraction, kill the unwanted noise, make the musicians more comfortable and move on.



                    Frankly, drummers are worse. Not the good ones. They know what's up and how to deal with their gear. And there's a lot to be said for finding and hiring a good tech to go over your gear before an important session. But there are a ton of "drummers" who don't even know how to tune their own instruments. Every engineer needs to know how to not only mic a kit, but reskin it and tune it and get it sounding good - or at least as good as the shells / bearing edges and hardware (not to mention drummer) will allow. The worst gear I've ever seen coming in was all drum stuff. That's why I got a kit. Which coincidentally, is pictured in this month's (Feb 2013) issue of Electronic Musician magazine.
                    **********

                    "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

                    - George Carlin

                    "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

                    - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                    "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

                    - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                    • #40
                      I just expect have to change strings and do a setup on any guitar I get. Doesn't matter if it's set up from the factory or not, as it isn't likely set up the way I want it. So, it doesn't matter to me at all. To me complaining that a guitar needs a setup is a bit like buying a car and complaining that the seat and mirrors weren't adjusted properly.

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                      • #41
                        I just expect have to change strings and do a setup on any guitar I get. Doesn't matter if it's set up from the factory or not, as it isn't likely set up the way I want it. So, it doesn't matter to me at all. To me complaining that a guitar needs a setup is a bit like buying a car and complaining that the seat and mirrors weren't adjusted properly.

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                        • #42






                          Quote Originally Posted by crohny
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                          I've only had one guitar in the history of my guitar playing set up in a way I liked.




                          Like I said - good techs can sometimes be hard to find. Good techs that listen to what you are asking for, and try their best to deliver, are rarer still. The ones that actually do deliver - they're the ones you want to give your business to. Ask around. Other musicians (especially the good ones) will often be able to tell you who does good work locally - and who you should avoid. Same with local studios. They'll often know the names and numbers of the area's a-list techs.
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                          "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

                          - George Carlin

                          "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

                          - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                          "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

                          - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                          • #43






                            Quote Originally Posted by crohny
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                            I've only had one guitar in the history of my guitar playing set up in a way I liked.




                            Like I said - good techs can sometimes be hard to find. Good techs that listen to what you are asking for, and try their best to deliver, are rarer still. The ones that actually do deliver - they're the ones you want to give your business to. Ask around. Other musicians (especially the good ones) will often be able to tell you who does good work locally - and who you should avoid. Same with local studios. They'll often know the names and numbers of the area's a-list techs.
                            **********

                            "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

                            - George Carlin

                            "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

                            - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                            "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

                            - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                            • #44
                              I've never bought a guitar brand new before, but just pay someone $30 to set it up.



                              Big guitar places never set up their guitars, unless they are really expensive. You'd think they would to help sell the guitar, and probably do for this reason, but if they ordered it in for you directly, they likely just took it out of the truck, left it in the back and then gave it to you once it arrived.



                              Go back and ask if they will do one for free since you just bought it, they might.

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                              • #45
                                I've never bought a guitar brand new before, but just pay someone $30 to set it up.



                                Big guitar places never set up their guitars, unless they are really expensive. You'd think they would to help sell the guitar, and probably do for this reason, but if they ordered it in for you directly, they likely just took it out of the truck, left it in the back and then gave it to you once it arrived.



                                Go back and ask if they will do one for free since you just bought it, they might.

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