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  • I just ordered the hard on.

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    • I just ordered the hard on.


      I was wondering where that came from....
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      • It came from a customer. Even customers come.
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        • think about this, if the ff is so dependent on certain trannies then why has the ff had so many different types of trannies!?!?!?!?

          i used the original zvex marked trannies in a clone i made and various other ge trannies and again the difference is minimal and can be attributed the the
          hFE which naturally varied from transistor to transistor!

          for comparison i done it by ear and used a boss rc2,played the same thing with the same gear,swapped out the socketed trannies and done it again and again.


          hahahahahahhahahahhahahhahhah

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          • OR

            Your customer got a hard on?



            hahahahahahhahahahhahahhahhah


            Are the trannies not actually socketed, or something?

            I have no idea about the particulars of this argument, I'm just interested in the notion that an electronic "clone" could sound different, if it were a true clone. I don't understand how it could...the conversation seems to have drifted early on to arguments about inconsistencies from one unit to the next, which is a different issue entirely, all of which is a different issue from the original thread....

            For the record, the original, real deal product is always going to be more desirable than a clone of it, for obvious reasons.

            Also, I don't get Zachary's reference to my joke.
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            • Stompboxman, I'm trying to get a handle on the argument here...

              Which transistor set is it that you're claiming is "crucial"(seems like that was the word) to the FF sound?

              Ned's saying several have been used...you're saying the sound depends on the kind of transistor used.

              Is there a "definitive" FF transistor, in your opinion?


              I think Zack uses NOS (New Old Stock) Transistors. That's all I know about them. Zack says nobody can get the same ones he uses. I trust he knows. He owns ZVEX Effects.

              The whole truth about this Thread was one guy hearing one thing and another guy hearing something else. With the one guy saying what the other guy heard didn't exist.

              There are "definitive" Fuzz Factory transistors. There the ones that come with the ZVEX Fuzz Factory.
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              • I think Zack uses NOS (New Old Stock) Transistors. That's all I know about them. Zack says nobody can get the same ones he uses. I trust he knows. He owns ZVEX Effects.


                Yeah, Zack is right. No one will get the same transistors as he uses,
                because of certain tolerances regarding hfe-values. :cop:

                BC-type transistors will give you a wide range between 180-400,
                BD-type like 70-160.

                ACxx-type (PNP) have smaller amplification values,
                and show some variation, which makes Zacks pedals unique.
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                • Yeah, Zack is right. No one will get the same transistors as he uses,
                  because of certain tolerances regarding hfe-values. :cop:

                  BC-type transistors will give you a wide range between 180-400,
                  BD-type like 70-160.

                  ACxx-type (PNP) have smaller amplification values,
                  and show some variation, which makes Zacks pedals unique.


                  But then these "Clones" are different, so is it really fair to claim about being ripped off?

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                  • But then these "Clones" are different, so is it really fair to claim about being ripped off?


                    So if someone took pictures of you naked....airbrushed it...and then sold it...it would be fine, because it's different?
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                    • So if someone took pictures of you naked....airbrushed it...and then sold it...it would be fine, because it's different?


                      kinda like taking a fuzz face circuit and tweaking it a little and selling it for 3x the price?

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                      • So if someone took pictures of you naked....airbrushed it...and then sold it...it would be fine, because it's different?


                        That's err, no where near in the same territory. It's more like if someone rerecorded one of my songs with even ****************tier equipment and changed some of the lyrics.

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                        • kinda like taking a fuzz face circuit and tweaking it a little and selling it for 3x the price?


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                          • This is a good point.


                            I don't think the fuzz factory is anything like a fuzz face, and it never was claimed to be made after any certain fuzz. Have you seen the comparison of the two internally?
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                            • That's err, no where near in the same territory. It's more like if someone rerecorded one of my songs with even ****************tier equipment and changed some of the lyrics.


                              how is it not near the same territory? it's the exact same principle.

                              Granted...If someone did that to me, I'd be honored and little excited...maybe even buy a few myself...
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                              • No, and my last statement of agreement might well be completely invalid, because I know very little about the inards of pedals. I have heard that it's a tweaked Fuzz Face with a couple of extra pots, but if it's not then I take it back.
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