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  • Hi jerks. Please help me set up my practice PA correctly.

    First, let me describe the set up. 4 people, arranged in a diamond shape. It's like this: <> with each member at a point. Me and the drummer are at the bottom and the top, facing each other, and the speakers (310s) are wedged, sitting on chairs, facing both of us. The bass player and guitar player are on the left and right sides of the diamond. The <> is a good graphical representation because me and the drummer have relatively little space between us, whereas the two other players have a bit more room. They can hear the PA fine, I can't hear ****************in' ****************.

     

    The PA is plenty loud, but we face a few problems: mic feedback and the synths getting washed out in the mix. The mic thing is by far the worst problem because I can't drive my own voice without utter destruction.  I run my vocals through a TC helicon create (reverb/delay) and that thing has a preamp all of its own. I'm not sure how to factor that in. I have to hear myself sing to monitor, man. **************** this jazz, it's like I'm wandering into a desert so far.

     

    And then there's the synth issue, and I don't know how to address it but my Tetra keeps washing out. It's playing chords and they can be a little pad-y but I still wanna hear it!

     

    Any ideas? I'm really on a tight budget and want to avoid buying something if possible.


  • PKTrono
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    delicate steve

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  • mister stomach
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    that floor monitor is going to help a lot. you should be able to get good and loud with the vocals without feeding back, provided the other speakers don't have to face you now. you may still want to raise or lower them, depending on the spacial relationship you end up having with them. 

    also, lexicon reverbs are ****************ing great for vocals and you may end up liking that thing a lot better than than the tc unit anyway. 

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  • pbone
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    I think a store near me is selling a little Peavey monitor for pretty cheap, would that be my best bet for right up there monitoring? It's the PR10N. Im really lookin for a quick solution so if I can skip the bull**************** with eq'ing and all sorts of other **************** just with my own monitor I'll do it.

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  • PKTrono
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    yeah, not sure of what needs answering re: the signal chain. a stereo graphic eq is a good idea if you use the tetra in stereo. and then you'd make it into your favourite graphic and love it forever

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  • mister stomach
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    the room you have described is the enemy of band practice. obvously the mic and speakers can't face each other. it helps to elevate the speakers or to lower them and use floor monitors so that the mics aren't in the direct path of the speaker output. unfortunately, for most band practice situations, you're kind of relying on reflections from the walls in the room to bring the sound back to you, and you don't have that. but you should still raise or lower the speakers. this chair thing is hurting you.

    for eq, either get that big multi band eq so that you can dial out specific frequencies, or if you don't have one, roll off the highs a bit more than you would like in a live situation. it's not perfect, but it's better than nothing. 

    for effects, reverb is not your friend right now. i like reverb on the vocals too, but i've generally found in practice that it works best to dial in the vocal levels without reverb on and then you can bring it up a little at a time until either you start feeding back or you have enough reverb. you might not end up with very much verb, but you can usually have a bit and it's better than feeding back.

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  • PKTrono
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    you could go mixer (to combine synth signals > EQ > PA. that's of course only if you want both synths to be panned/spread the same. if not then you need another EQ

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  • pbone
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    I have the previous version, no tone button.

    Turning down and doing levels and **************** worked very well.

    What would the signal chain be with a rack eq?

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  • RoboPimp
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    first off, describe this "plenty loud PA" for me please including the "310s" and mics, etc.

     

    secondly, I will tell you as already mentioned the cheapest thing a guy on a tight budget could do is dial everything back. Learn to play together and not drown each other out. 

     

    but if you don't like that idea the first thing I would recommend is a decent 31 band eq (dbx or better NO BEHRINGER) and use that to eliminate feedback frequencies. The synth I would try to add some mids around 4-5K to help them cut. (use the channel EQ if it has a sweep-able mid freq)

     

    and the TC thing aint helpin the feedback either I'm sure. 

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  • Max Factor
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    Some thoughts:

    Treat the room.  Nothing fancy, nail some thick blankets to the walls, put an old sofa in there. Roll out some shag carpet.  Hang some extra stuff around the drummer.

    Aim the guitar cabs at the guitar players.  You don't honestly care about hearing their awesome tones, do you?

    Kill the vocal effects until you're generally happy with the vocal monitoring.

    Re-arrange: Move your position as far from the drummer as possible and see if you can hear better.  A loud drummer can dominate everything.

    If none of that  works, be ok with playing rock music in less-than-ideal circumstances. If you still can't hear what you want, invest in an in-ear monitoring system.  (But those solve some problems and create many others...)

     

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  • Fender&EHX4ever
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    Might also be a problem of the room itself... reflections, arrangement sound within, etc.

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  • jimash
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    Gain staging.

    EQ 

    Placement

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