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  • #31
    Originally posted by pureanalog


    Great tone will come if you own plain decent gear. The rest is up to the player. I bet that some players will sound decent even if you give them a crappy solid state combo and a crappy guitar.



    couldn't agree more. and further, what ever happened to developing your own sound? lots of great bands do great things that sound (god forbid) original by making use of cheap and/or funky equipment. it should be more about the notes and less the tone.

    that said, i'm really gasing for the Orange AD30HTC.
    (i'm such a hypocrit.)




    But Marshalls and Les Pauls kind of belong together dont they?



    you bet they do! i'm a sort of sloppy improv blues lead player and i swear with the LP/Marshall together i feel like i'm chanelling Page's voodoo (some moments, at least).




    I thought that pre-amp tubes do not neet re-biasing. Could you
    please elaborate?



    yes yes. you're absolutley right. i just meant that if you're going to open it up anyway, you might as well double check the bias in case the joker that replaced the power tubes didn't do it properly. sorry for the confusion.

    take care.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by DeadNight Warrior


      Sorry, but IMHO having "depends on how the EQ is put in the circuit" in brackets amidst all the other stuff does not equate to "Oh, by the way this is only really if you've got an active EQ in your amp, which chances are you don't, so this doesn't really apply".





      Gee, let's discuss all the ways EQ is built into amplifiers.

      Dude...my point is that on MY Marshall, I was able to get a better sound by taking the EQ's to "0". Whether that is cut boost half WHATEVER, that's what I did.

      And I realize...since I *DO have a an old Fender Twin...that if you don't give it SOME EQ, you're going to get little or no sound.


      Hence the "how the eq is built, incorporated or HOWEVER *you* wish me to say it, into the amp.".

      Sorry I didn't say it precisely as you wish.


      Hopefully the guy has tried to adjust the EQ, and not just a notch or two.

      I doubt it will help, but it was just me trying to help.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by 17 Tubes




        Gee, let's discuss all the ways EQ is built into amplifiers.

        Dude...my point is that on MY Marshall, I was able to get a better sound by taking the EQ's to "0". Whether that is cut boost half WHATEVER, that's what I did.

        And I realize...since I *DO have a an old Fender Twin...that if you don't give it SOME EQ, you're going to get little or no sound.


        Hence the "how the eq is built, incorporated or HOWEVER *you* wish me to say it, into the amp.".

        Sorry I didn't say it precisely as you wish.


        Hopefully the guy has tried to adjust the EQ, and not just a notch or two.

        I doubt it will help, but it was just me trying to help.


        Let's talk about the bandaxial curcuit...

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        • #34
          just came back from the tech...



          The amp is fine according to him. He made it sound good. How?Used completely different setting from the ones I normally use. He cranked the thing to the end....

          The thing is I cannot crank it like this at home... 20W is still to loud. I will be gigging it anyway.

          The thing is that I can always sell it now since it is fine...

          The other option would be an Engl screamer somebody sells locally for 800 EUROS.

          Maybe that could come down to 700 I dont know..

          The marshall would sell for like 450.

          Would I rather be checking out an ENGL pre-amp for like 180 EUROS used from ebay.de


          Kind of confused.

          I have to learn how to produce good tone with my fingers and forget about gear.

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          • #35
            IMO the ENGL is a much better amp. It will of course have the loudness problem since it's a 50W amp. When I was shopping for an amp a few years ago to me it was a toss between the DSL50 head and the ENGL Screamer and the DSL won because it was more for my tastes as far as voicing goes, the DSL was more rock oriented while the ENGL excelled in metal. But IMO there is no comparison between the ENGL and the DSL201/401 combos.
            "Walking the fine line between bacon and Christian."

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            • #36
              Originally posted by pureanalog
              just came back from the tech...



              The amp is fine according to him. He made it sound good. How?Used completely different setting from the ones I normally use. He cranked the thing to the end....




              Kind of confused.

              I have to learn how to produce good tone with my fingers and forget about gear.


              This is kind of what I tried to tell you, and got **************** on for.'

              Sometimes we are SO afraid to turn the dials. CAHNGE YOUR SETTINGS!

              BTW...."Using Completely different settings" means that, sometimes, you DO have to pay attention to your gear. Not "forget about it". Sure, good playing and tone starts at your fingers, but your gear brings it to your ear. It has to sound something like what your brain wants to hear or it's crap. Your gear does most of that.

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              • #37
                Sound like me a few years ago. I tried a marshall tsl out for like 30 minutes and just bought it so i could be cool and say i have a "tube amp"..anyway...i ended up with a hate for the new marshalls... coudlnt stand the "distortion" ...the amp sounded ok at loud volumes....but at low volumes it was utterly disgusting...at least my engl is an amp i can play at low volumes
                Why does Mesa hate Australia?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by 17 Tubes


                  This is kind of what I tried to tell you, and got **************** on for.'

                  Sometimes we are SO afraid to turn the dials. CAHNGE YOUR SETTINGS!




                  Damn right!

                  The amp can get pretty good rock tones which is what I am opting for. But it is not very good at lower volumes.

                  Sure gigging is my main interest.

                  The voicing I like is what Marshalls sound like. Is there a better way to get a Marshall voicing at a combo?

                  Sure there are JCM800 but these can be had only used and they are like over 20 years old...

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                  • #39
                    I was looking for ENGLs too when searching for a tube combo but
                    the thing is that all the ENGL clips I have heard were brutal sounding. I was opting for a good hard rock tone plus a bit more. I couldnt be sure whether ENGLS can produce as good a hard rock tone...

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by pureanalog
                      just came back from the tech...



                      The amp is fine according to him. He made it sound good. How?Used completely different setting from the ones I normally use. He cranked the thing to the end....

                      The thing is I cannot crank it like this at home... 20W is still to loud. I will be gigging it anyway.



                      I have owned and played a DSL 401 since 1999. It is a strange amplifier, it seems like everytime I play it, it sounds different. I had it retubed with some EI el84s because the amp tech told me that to use anything else, he would have to drill out the holes because they wouldn't fit (??)

                      However, the amp did sound fantastic after the tube change, and though I was previously thinking of selling the amp, I decided to keep it.

                      But a few months later the preamp tubes went. I had them changed, and now the amp sounds like crap again.

                      My plans are to put some decent preamp tubes in the thing, perhaps some NOS Mullards or Telefunkens. I am also going to switch out the speaker for a Celestion g12h30 or perhaps a Vintage 30.

                      I also noticed that this amp sounds best in a carpeted room, sitting in a corner. The amp sounds really buzzy and thin in a room with wood or tile floors. In that case it helps a little to put a rug under the amp, but not much.

                      I have spent many enjoyable evenings with a Gibson Les Paul, through this amp. I own a couple of vintage Marshalls also, and of course they sound a lot different, but I think the DSL401 has some good sweet spots and it is a good amp, especially if you only paid $400. I paid around $725 including tax for mine in 1999.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by pureanalog

                        Sure there are JCM800 but these can be had only used and they are like over 20 years old...


                        And they are arse-whoopingly good. Get one.
                        Marshall 2466 Vintage Modern.
                        Cabs: Mesa/Boogie Vertical 2x12 (half-back)
                        Guitars: Ibanez UV777PBK, Ibanez K7 (with BKP Painkillers), Shecter 006 Deluxe, Jackson Kelly Standard, Ibanez SRX705, Takamine Classical, Taylor Acoustic.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by pureanalog

                          I have to learn how to produce good tone with my fingers and forget about gear.


                          Hi,

                          Absolutely nothing improves your tone better than practice !! and its free !!

                          However having a useable distortion that allows you to get on with the "improving" is very important.

                          Try a bunch of decent overdrive/distortion pedals with the Marshall and your set. take amp and guitar to local shop and try a bunch (plus you save yourself the large outlay of a new amp)

                          Thank me latter

                          Rich
                          Rock Hard, Rock Heavy, Rock Widdley Widdley.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by pureanalog
                            Hi folks.


                            Today I received by UPS a Marshall DSL201 20 Watt all tube amp.

                            4 12ax7 preamp tubes and 2 EL84

                            The amp sounds well when played at the clean channel with the clean channel gain control under 4-5 and master volume at moderate to quite loud levels. When gain is turned up or when I switch to the dirty channel I get this nasty distortion. Not the kind of distortion one wants but rather a buzzy and fuzzy distortion like the speaker has a problem or something. But no it is not the speaker.

                            I did this test. I hooked up the PODxt to the Effects return input and used the POD as a pre-amp. Everything sounded pretty fine.

                            So the problem must be somewhere in the pre-amp section right??

                            I swapped the pre-amp tubes positions with one another and nothing changed.

                            I emailed the guy who sold the amp to me and he claims that the amp was working fine before he sent it.

                            I also noticed that the REVERB has an effect on this problem. When turned up its nastier. But it doesnt change anything drastically though.


                            This buzzy distortion makes the amp unusable.

                            Any ideas or suggestions?


                            I had a new JCM2000 DSL50 head plugged into my Marshall 1960A cab and while the clean channel was very nice I did not like the gain channels at all and ended up returning the head to the music store. I did not like the reverb on it either and just HATED the sound of the spring dancing around every time I moved the head.

                            I got a MESA BOOGIE F-50 combo and love it.

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                            • #44
                              cut the mids and the od2 volume to 2, open the gain and master volume to 6. i think it will do the job

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                              • #45
                                For Marshalls and the classic rocks sound try:-

                                - Use a Brimar NOS in V1 - makes the distortion sweet and classic not harsh and gritty.
                                - Avoid the stock speakers in combos - put in something like a G12H / Vintage 30 / Greenback.
                                - The Greenback and Vintage 30 loaded cabs give more of a traditional classic rock sound than the scooped G12T75's in standard 1960 cabs.
                                - Don't overdo the treble and presence controls.
                                - Don't crank the pre-amp gain - I can get perfectly good tone with the gain set at 3 on both the crunch and lead channels.
                                Let that power-amp section sing!
                                -r

                                Stuff:- Gibson -> Effects -> Marshall -> Classic Rock


                                Member of the Mazi Bee Militia, grumpy old bastard division.

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