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ive been thinking about getting one as a backup amp.
if possible list the cons as well
Well this one has a couple problems which I'm discussing with the guy that sold it to me. The input jack is flakey and the reverb doesn't work, but I think I can fix those myself. In fact the guy is being a real standup fellow and is offering me compensation.
Anyway the clean sounds are quite decent and the high gain sounds are quite nice for metal. I've not really played around with it that much since I've only had it since Monday. It totally will give you Chuck Schuldiner tone with the contour knob all the way clockwise, but I run it around 2 o'clock. I guess it has a 12ax7 preamp tube, so it's a bit warmer than you might expect.
I admit that there are some things about solid state amps that I really dig, namely the attack speed and tightness. The tone is a bit cold when compared to a say a tube Marshall or Fender, or my Classic 30, but that's the compromise. I've noticed that even when dialing in a tube amp (I have a Triple XXX, Sound City 120 mark 4, 5150, and a Classic 30) when you dial for tightness, you compromise some warmth, and the reverse is true also. You can't dial in a big, warm, fat tone that leads itself to bluesy leads and expect it to have the razor sharp precision that a lot of metal demands. This amp leans very well towards metal tones. It's got midrange to spare. I don't scoop my mids. In fact, I'm probably going to use an Boss EQ to goose the lower mids somewhat. I've not really tried in-between sounds, but I would probably use my C30 for that anyway. I got this amp for punk/hardcore/metal and for that the tone and respose is surprisingly good. In fact I can't think of a better value. These things are definitly a hidden gem.
I make the fire but I miss the firefight.
All that stuff is evil: Ozzy, Judas Priest. There's backwards messages in that stuff that leads you to the Beast.
They're good sleeper amps. They seem to be ultra unrealiable, and seem to sound bad when cranked, so I don't think I would use them as a back up, or even live. Mine doesn't really even work anymore. The main thing they excel at its fast attack stuff. When you hear bands like meshuggah on choasphere, or morbid angel, thats what the 8100 is about (morbid angel used a marshall artist, but they sound alot like the 8100).
Originally posted by fancynapkin They're good sleeper amps. They seem to be ultra unrealiable, and seem to sound bad when cranked, so I don't think I would use them as a back up, or even live. Mine doesn't really even work anymore. The main thing they excel at its fast attack stuff. When you hear bands like meshuggah on choasphere, or morbid angel, thats what the 8100 is about (morbid angel used a marshall artist, but they sound alot like the 8100).
You must have a lemon. Mine is very reliable, I've used it at several gigs and it sounds fine thru my 1936 2x12 cranked, not thin or lifeless at all. In fact, it gets a very decent crunch if you set it up right and not just go for the "scooped metal" sound. I run mine in OD1 with slight gain & lots of volume, bass @ 3, mids @ noon, and treble dimed, contour just below noon. The clean channel with the crunch button engaged is very nice, a good punchy sound. I put a GT12AX7 Mullard in it and it woke it up a lot! Looks good as a 1/4 stack: