Members RJofGreatness Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 my DJ/soundman friend said to me today. he said " because your amp is growing through my big sound system, you dont need any expensive amp with all that volume" i told him, "well, if i were to put a piece of {censored} amp in front of your amazing sound system, then it will always sound like {censored}, no matter how awesome your sound system, but if i had an awesome amp and i had to deal with some idiot with a {censored}ty system, i could always crank my amp and bypass a {censored}ty system that may make my sound suffer or just take away from the other performers in my band." and he says "why would you hire a soundguy with a {censored}ty system" i say "small bands dont always have a choice, we must make use of what we are provided with" He says "pffft bull{censored}. i still dont get why you spend so much money on guitar amps when all the sound comes through my system" i say "you dont get it because you arent a musician, you are a random douche that does not understand sound. you want an amp that sounds good and will get a sound you want, at whatever volume you think sounds best, and then your job is to replicate that sound but loud enough for all to hear. these big amps that cost more cost more for a reason, because they are intended to sound a certain way that is usually seen as a good sound." he says" whatever" what do some people not get, people dont just buy expensive amps for volume, it is a sound thing. {censored}! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members slideroni Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 Well he's kinda right, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members almightycrunch Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 Same people who say they can "nail" Metallica tone with their Line 6 Spider 2 combo with a single 12 inch speaker. There aint no amount of splainin to make them understand how utterly stupid they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members almightycrunch Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 Well he's kinda right, IMO. ummmm, no he aint kinda right:thu: imho of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RJofGreatness Posted August 25, 2007 Author Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 he used to play drums and we know how good an ear they need to do that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bob the dentist Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 Well he's kinda right, IMO. not really. Not like you can go from gig to gig going "sure hope the guy there doesn't have a suck-ass system, otherwise me and my POD are {censored}ed!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members antiochband Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 What a douche. I would've taken a dump in the gas tank of his car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RJofGreatness Posted August 25, 2007 Author Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 this was the same guy that thought my marshall avt150 was better than my mesa dc-3 because it sounded heavier and groovy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zehn Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 Same people who say they can "nail" Metallica tone with their Line 6 Spider 2 combo with a single 12 inch speaker. There aint no amount of splainin to make them understand how utterly stupid they are. lawlz i can specially with my starcaster lololololololol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zehn Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 he used to play drums and we know how good an ear they need to do that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Minnie The Moocher Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 All you need is an expensive low-wattage amp . Or even not that expensive: I'm pretty happy with most of my 15-20W amps - Marshall 2061X, Vox AC15 (vintage and brand new HW) or Deluxe-clone. Even without PA system, but with good cabs (my favorites include Celestion alnico blues or G12H30), you won't have no problem in a band context (except if you need really high volume clean tones), even for loud rock with a loud drummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members almightycrunch Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 Once again, its not about volume with a 100 watt amplifier, its about presence, and pressure. You dont get the same kind of "feel" from a low wattage amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members antiochband Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 Once again, its not about volume with a 100 watt amplifier, its about presence, and pressure. +1 And playing thru a 4x12. People don't give enough credit to the speakers. They are one of the biggest factors in tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheAmazingBlob Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 You should have punched him in the cock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lndianScout Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 I've ran my Marshall vs65r thru many many PA systems and it sounds great, but I dont play hard metal so I can get away with it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Volitan Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 I'd just want one for the headroom, but I still think 100 is too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RJofGreatness Posted August 25, 2007 Author Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 i want a more metal tone, my dc-3 isnt cutting it at louder volumes, it loses its definition and gets weird sounding... it isnt a very tight amp either, so fast riffing gets kinda lost, even with a boost and at lower volumes. still is fun as hell when jamming with a drummer for some punky rock stuff. but yeah, this was his response after i told him i might save up for a rack mounted pre and power amp or a mesa dual rectifier, i told him the cost and he laughed in my face. he also has $4000 in audio equipment built into his car, and he is laughing at me for thinking about spend a little over a grand on an amp. he is a cool guy if you are into talking about how good the burritos are at pancheros or people... anything music or sound, he pisses me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Minnie The Moocher Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 Once again, its not about volume with a 100 watt amplifier, its about presence, and pressure. You dont get the same kind of "feel" from a low wattage amp. Sorry but ... bsh!t. You have BETTER feel from a GOOD low wattage amp on 7-10 than from a 100W head on 1,5 on the master (talking about the real life use, in a club or a usual stage - most of us don't play the Shea stadium). And you can use 'em with big cabs if you need to feel a bit of air pushed (I personnaly prefer the 2x12" - sometimes a pair - and nobody forbid to use a 4x12 with a 15W head - you would be surprised how it may push some air). Of course I'm not talking about death metal, but for anything 'till hard rock, it's more than enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Introspectre Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 my DJ/soundman friend said to me today. he said " because your amp is growing through my big sound system, you dont need any expensive amp with all that volume" i told him, "well, if i were to put a piece of {censored} amp in front of your amazing sound system, then it will always sound like {censored}, no matter how awesome your sound system, but if i had an awesome amp and i had to deal with some idiot with a {censored}ty system, i could always crank my amp and bypass a {censored}ty system that may make my sound suffer or just take away from the other performers in my band." and he says "why would you hire a soundguy with a {censored}ty system" i say "small bands dont always have a choice, we must make use of what we are provided with" He says "pffft bull{censored}. i still dont get why you spend so much money on guitar amps when all the sound comes through my system" i say "you dont get it because you arent a musician, you are a random douche that does not understand sound. you want an amp that sounds good and will get a sound you want, at whatever volume you think sounds best, and then your job is to replicate that sound but loud enough for all to hear. these big amps that cost more cost more for a reason, because they are intended to sound a certain way that is usually seen as a good sound." he says" whatever" what do some people not get, people dont just buy expensive amps for volume, it is a sound thing. {censored}! People don't just buy higher wattage amps just for volume, either. Headroom is the primary reason why I prefer at least 100 watts in an amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheAmazingBlob Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 i want a more metal tone, my dc-3 isnt cutting it at louder volumes, it loses its definition and gets weird sounding... it isnt a very tight amp either, so fast riffing gets kinda lost, even with a boost and at lower volumes. still is fun as hell when jamming with a drummer for some punky rock stuff. but yeah, this was his response after i told him i might save up for a rack mounted pre and power amp or a mesa dual rectifier, i told him the cost and he laughed in my face. he also has $4000 in audio equipment built into his car, and he is laughing at me for thinking about spend a little over a grand on an amp. he is a cool guy if you are into talking about how good the burritos are at pancheros or people... anything music or sound, he pisses me off. Don't get a Rectifier . And $4000 in a car? {censored}, you should be the one laughing at him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members almightycrunch Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 more than enough for you apparently, but not more than enough for someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NoodleFace Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 Soundmen who are professional guitarists (or gigging at least) seem to know the most about this type of stuff.. it's the random douches that just do sound at a low level that make the profession so {censored}ty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RJofGreatness Posted August 25, 2007 Author Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 I'd just want one for the headroom, but I still think 100 is too much. i still think 100 watt amps have more clarity in general and tighter low end over a 50 watt amp, and we all know, there is not much of a volume difference but the feel and sound tends to be very different. 100 watts were made for that reason. so it isnt too much. the 85 watt mark IV does heavy as good as a 100 watt, and even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dropthisd Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 Yes!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RJofGreatness Posted August 25, 2007 Author Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 Don't get a Rectifier . And $4000 in a car? {censored}, you should be the one laughing at him why the hell not, the ones i have tried i liked so much, but i would get an older 2 ch, which i thought sounded fuller and more crushing than the three channels i did laugh at him and he said he made it all being a dj so it made sense (to him anyway) i want to get a Mark IV too, but i want a rectifier to have that sound on hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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