Members vicknott Posted January 26, 2008 Members Share Posted January 26, 2008 How are they comparing ? Is there any difference soundwise ? Considering I don't really need 100W power (60W is more than enough), do you think Powerball is worthing 500 Euro more ?I play modern metal (groove/hardcore/metalcore) and I have mahogany guitars equipped with EMG81 or SD Distortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chrisjd Posted January 26, 2008 Members Share Posted January 26, 2008 They sound almost identical, the powerball just being louder with mroe versatility. If you don't need a lot of power and flexibility, go with the fireball since its cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vicknott Posted January 26, 2008 Author Members Share Posted January 26, 2008 What do you mean about more versatility ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chrispsullivan Posted January 26, 2008 Members Share Posted January 26, 2008 What do you mean about more versatility ? the fireball has a clean and lead channelthe powerball has a clean, crunch, and lead channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members XiXora Posted January 26, 2008 Members Share Posted January 26, 2008 fireball also has shared eq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chrispsullivan Posted January 26, 2008 Members Share Posted January 26, 2008 fireball also has shared eq truth, and a shared gain control (but from what i hear, it's really easy to work with it and make both channels usable to footswitch between live) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JaGi Posted January 26, 2008 Members Share Posted January 26, 2008 Get a savage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CenturyStanding Posted January 26, 2008 Members Share Posted January 26, 2008 Power has alot more features. Two EQ's instead of one.Four channels instead of two.Built in Noisegate to tame teh Br00talz.Focused/Open button that changes the voicing of the distortion a bit.Read up about them. Both are good amps, similar sounding, can't go wrong either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chrisjd Posted January 26, 2008 Members Share Posted January 26, 2008 Get a savage. pretty much sums it up, the savage is just flat-out the tits man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Philmorris Posted January 26, 2008 Members Share Posted January 26, 2008 one thing that you guys didn't tell him is that fireball (from what i heard the same goes to powerball) is pritty dark amp and since you have mahogany (dark) it could be very dark combination maybe your bright MEG 81 would balance it out. If you play with 2 settings (clean and distortion) that go with fireball. If you use clean/rock/metal/blues tone in one song, than go with powerball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gusvolta Posted February 6, 2008 Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 could you add, say a tubescreamer for the fireball, wouldn't that give you a nice overdrive on the clean channel, and a nice boost for the distortion channel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shred-o-holic Posted February 6, 2008 Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 could you add, say a tubescreamer for the fireball, wouldn't that give you a nice overdrive on the clean channel, and a nice boost for the distortion channel? Like run the amp on a half-way clean/dirty tone? Maybe I dunno........the amp has a {censored} load of gain on tap all the way before 9 oclock........as far as clean boosting goes that's exactly what I'm doing with my Fireball........sounds awesome.........but that's half gain on the amp and no gain or tone on OD pedal...just volume....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted February 6, 2008 Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 could you add, say a tubescreamer for the fireball, wouldn't that give you a nice overdrive on the clean channel, and a nice boost for the distortion channel? That'd be a pretty cool idea. Although, you can just turn down the volume on one pickup, and switch between pickups for super clean and dirty-clean/overdrive tones, then switch channels for the heavy distortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted February 6, 2008 Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 Take note that the Gain in BOTH of these videos is at 9 o'clock. Everything else is the same, including the volume controls on the guitar (both max) Normal Channel, Neck pickup [YOUTUBE]broQemTcd1k[/YOUTUBE] Ultra Gain Channel, Bridge Pickup [YOUTUBE]hNQOxD9pr8g[/YOUTUBE] Yes I went apeshit on the chorus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gusvolta Posted February 6, 2008 Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 Like run the amp on a half-way clean/dirty tone? Maybe I dunno........the amp has a shit load of gain on tap all the way before 9 oclock........as far as clean boosting goes that's exactly what I'm doing with my Fireball........sounds awesome.........but that's half gain on the amp and no gain or tone on OD pedal...just volume....... are you clean boosting it with a ts? that's something i would like to do (if i decide to buy the fireball) and basically i wanna add the tubescreamer when using the clean channel, not for main distortion but for a nice overdrive. doing that could turn it into "3 channels", maybe?, and using another ts (or just a clean boost for solos), it'll be like "4 channels" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gusvolta Posted February 6, 2008 Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 i liked that clean part you did Petejt whats up with the empty cab? you should do something like this: look at how they put the amp head http://bp1.blogger.com/_A_qX8bIgI5U/RbG-ADZOr3I/AAAAAAAAAHU/pUvV8lCTFVA/s1600-h/100_2838.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jubb Posted February 6, 2008 Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 whats up with the empty cab? rotary speaker mod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shred-o-holic Posted February 6, 2008 Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 are you clean boosting it with a ts? that's something i would like to do (if i decide to buy the fireball) and basically i wanna add the tubescreamer when using the clean channel, not for main distortion but for a nice overdrive. doing that could turn it into "3 channels", maybe?, and using another ts (or just a clean boost for solos), it'll be like "4 channels" Yeah I'm clean boosting it if that's the same thing we're talking about....but just to be clear a "clean boost" in my definition is minimal coloration and "gain" from the pedal as far as the tone and gain knob are concerned......in the literal sense I suppose I am adding gain from the pedal even if I'm using just the volume knob on the pedal........well something is being added in some form at least....I'm doing this for feel myself...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members colejustesen Posted February 6, 2008 Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 When I had a Fireball I tried boosting it with several pedals and it just seemed like it didn't want them at all. The amp itself has gain for days and has a considerable amount of compression. After monkeying around with it I found I actually liked it best without using any kind of boost. Looking back at it now, I wish I would have tried an eq in the loop more than anything. In the long run, this amp didn't suit my style so I sold it. It is a dark amp, that has pronounced bass and low mids. With my mahogany guitar it got muddy when playing, unless I kept my guitar in standard tuning. Best of luck to you, but my suggestion is try it before you buy it! Cole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brick Posted February 6, 2008 Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 boosting an ENGL is like shooting yourself in the foot, its got plent of gain on tap itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shred-o-holic Posted February 6, 2008 Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 boosting an ENGL is like shooting yourself in the foot, its got plent of gain on tap itself BS once again......there are some awesome clips of CJ Wall where he's boosting his Fireball....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chrispsullivan Posted February 6, 2008 Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 boosting isn't always about adding gainactually i'd say it usually isn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mhenson42 Posted February 6, 2008 Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 While I like the feel and sound of ENGLs without a boost, I have boosted ENGLs with the gain at about 9:00 and had great results. Hell the only way I could get a decent tone out of channel 2 of my old SE was to boost it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Marshallesque Posted February 6, 2008 Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 Go Powerball, it has more substantial transformers. The Firewall has a TINY itty bitty transformer that is soldered directly the PCB, not even bolted to the chassis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Blood Brother Posted February 6, 2008 Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 I use an Engl Fireball, and my mate has the Powerball. From experience, there isn't much difference between these two amps. Most people probably haven't given them much chance when they make quick assumptions. The Fireball is slightly darker/bassier than the Powerball, which has a slightly more gritty tone to it (with similarish settings to the Fireball). I think it's all about how you set the EQ as to what sound you get. My Fireball has everything at pretty much 12 o' clock on the EQ settings and I think it sounds sweet for lead and rhythm and has a great clean sound, so no need for the extra channels and such. The whole shared gain thing isn't a big deal. I usually have my gain set at around 10 o' clock and there is plenty of gain for the lead channel, and the clean only starts distorting on the bridge pickup when I really give it some. The cleans can be super warm or have a 'glassy' kind of sound depending on your EQ/if you use the bright or depth switch (I generally don't concern myself with these, the depth is only noticeable if the bass is quite high). I can't really write much for the Powerball except this. The Powerball is pretty much a Fireball with more verstility to it. If you need an amp that can do a variety of sounds, get the Powerball. If you just need an amp that has one good lead channel and a great clean sound, then the Fireball would be better as it's cheaper. But the main rule would be... Buy with your ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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