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  • The Be All, End All for why or why NOT YOUR Amp Cuts.

    FIRSTLY, I BELIEVE THAT ANY AMP, ESPECIALLY TUBE, CAN CUT IF SET RIGHT.

    I have been seeing so many of these threads "my amp doesn't cut, help." It is more than just coincidence that most of these amps that apparently don't cut are also the amps that sound REALLY BIG and THICK on their own.

    While my opinion is in fact, only an opinion, look at my sig, I have owned and played A LOT high end, high gain amps. I have also played in a band for quite a while now, and played with many guitarists. Also, I have a VERY critical ear when it comes to live guitar tones.

    Basically, it is very hard to have an amp that sounds HUGE and cuts through extremely well at the same time. About the only two amps that do it FOR ME are the Cobra and 5150.

    You have guys with the rectifiers and uberschalls who are always complaining about their tone being loose and not cutting. The more lowend, and low-mids your amp produces, the less it is going to cut most likely. Comparatively, the less lowend and more midrange and highs you have, the better you will cut, but the thinner you will sound. So, take all these HUGE sounding amps and guess what, they arnt going to slice through the live mix as well as we all would like them too, that's just the way it is kids.

    Another "coincidence", look at all the tighter amps out there: Cobra, VHTs, Quickrod, 5150 II, Laney, ENGL, MAKO etc. These amps are all stupid tight, AND have a brighter, more mid voiced tone.

    Take the Looser amps out there: Uberschall, Recto, Dragon, etc. they are voiced darker and thicker. yet they dont cut as well as the others.

    Basically, to sum things up, its a trade off. its damn hard to have a super tight and cutting amp that sounds super thick at the same time. Like I said, the only amps that I have played that can combine both qualities are the Cobra and the 5150 series amps.

    I just want people to know, that there is a trade-off for going too extreme in either direction.

    1. A VERY bright amp will usually yield a thinner, more brittle tone.
    and
    2. A VERY dark amp will yield a looser tone that doesn't cut very well.

    Amen.
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    My recto cuts :idk:
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    • #3
      my Quick Rod cuts like a samurai sword on fire.
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      • #4
        I want a cobra
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        • #5
          I have heard lots of rectos cut through. I watched a guy with a 6505 get drowned out though.
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          • #6
            I have heard lots of rectos cut through. I watched a guy with a 6505 get drowned out though.


            yeah people can really set their amps up for failure live.
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            VHT Deliverance<br />
            Titan Custom 100<br />
            Baron MII 100<br />
            Marshall JCM 800 2203KK<br />
            VHT 100 CL<br />
            Splawn Nitro<br />
            Peavey 6505 &amp; FJA 6505 &amp; 5150 II<br />
            Krank Krankenstein +<br />
            Bogner Uberschall Rev Blue<br />
            Rivera K-Tre'<br />
            Framus Cobra &amp; Dragon<br />
            Ampeg VH-140c<br />
            Engl Savage 120 &amp; Powerball<br />
            Mesa Dual Rectifier<br />
            <b>ESP Guitars</b><br />
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            • #7
              any amp can cut. a pod can cut through too if you EQ it correctly. doesn't necessarily mean it will sound good in the process, but it will cut. basically, people are stupid. /end thread

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              • #8
                yeah people can really set their amps up for failure live.


                I'm not sure how you can make a box of bees sound good? enlighten me.
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                • #9
                  yeah people can really set their amps up for failure live.


                  Thats because bedroom/basement playing is a whole different ballgame from full band setting in a live environment.:wave:
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                  • #10
                    I'm not sure how you can make a box of bees sound good? enlighten me.


                    if you are in or around minnesota we can meet up and I would be happy to show you!
                    <div class="signaturecontainer">&quot;Follow your instinct.... It usually takes you home.&quot;<br />
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                    Egnater Armageddon<br />
                    VHT Deliverance<br />
                    Titan Custom 100<br />
                    Baron MII 100<br />
                    Marshall JCM 800 2203KK<br />
                    VHT 100 CL<br />
                    Splawn Nitro<br />
                    Peavey 6505 &amp; FJA 6505 &amp; 5150 II<br />
                    Krank Krankenstein +<br />
                    Bogner Uberschall Rev Blue<br />
                    Rivera K-Tre'<br />
                    Framus Cobra &amp; Dragon<br />
                    Ampeg VH-140c<br />
                    Engl Savage 120 &amp; Powerball<br />
                    Mesa Dual Rectifier<br />
                    <b>ESP Guitars</b><br />
                    <br />
                    HC References<br />
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                    • #11
                      wat
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                      • #12
                        I have been seeing so many of these threads "my amp doesn't cut, help." It is more than just coincidence that most of these amps that apparently don't cut are also the amps that sound REALLY BIG and THICK on their own.

                        While my opinion is in fact, only an opinion, look at my sig, I have owned and played A LOT high end, high gain amps. I have also played in a band for quite a while now, and played with many guitarists. Also, I have a VERY critical ear when it comes to live guitar tones.

                        Basically, it is very hard to have an amp that sounds HUGE and cuts through extremely well at the same time. About the only two amps that do it are the Cobra and 5150.

                        You have guys with the rectifiers and uberschalls who are always complaining about their tone being loose and not cutting. The more lowend, and low-mids your amp produces, the less it is going to cut most likely. Comparatively, the less lowend and more midrange and highs you have, the better you will cut, but the thinner you will sound. So, take all these HUGE sounding amps and guess what, they arnt going to slice through the live mix as well as we all would like them too, that's just the way it is kids.

                        Another "coincidence", look at all the tighter amps out there: Cobra, VHTs, Quickrod, 5150 II, Laney, ENGL, MAKO etc. These amps are all stupid tight, AND have a brighter, more mid voiced tone.

                        Take the Looser amps out there: Uberschall, Recto, Dragon, etc. they are voiced darker and thicker. yet they dont cut as well as the others.

                        Basically, to sum things up, its a trade off. its damn hard to have a super tight and cutting amp that sounds super thick at the same time. Like I said, the only amps that I have played that can combine both qualities are the Cobra and the 5150 series amps.

                        I just want people to know, that there is a trade-off for going too extreme in either direction.

                        1. A VERY bright amp will usually yield a thinner, more brittle tone.
                        and
                        2. A VERY dark amp will yield a looser tone that doesn't cut very well.

                        Amen.


                        There are a couple of things:

                        1) NOT ALL amps are created equally

                        2) Having the right gear, IS a HUGE part of the journey, BUT... knowing what to do with it, is what ends up determining if one ever reaches their tone destination

                        3) There is NO accounting for taste, and some guys can take the best gear in the world, and their talent is... achieving the WORST possible tone out of it, and then those same guys rave about how great the tone is, all the while saying that it doesn't cut for some "unknown" mysterious reason.

                        4) KNOWING what equipment it "Actually" takes to get the "right" tone is often NOT known by people.

                        My $.02

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                        • #13
                          Thats because bedroom/basement playing is a whole different ballgame from full band setting in a live environment.:wave:


                          Exactly, a lot of people don't understand this.
                          <div class="signaturecontainer">&quot;Follow your instinct.... It usually takes you home.&quot;<br />
                          <br />
                          <b><u>Heads:</u></b><br />
                          Egnater Armageddon<br />
                          VHT Deliverance<br />
                          Titan Custom 100<br />
                          Baron MII 100<br />
                          Marshall JCM 800 2203KK<br />
                          VHT 100 CL<br />
                          Splawn Nitro<br />
                          Peavey 6505 &amp; FJA 6505 &amp; 5150 II<br />
                          Krank Krankenstein +<br />
                          Bogner Uberschall Rev Blue<br />
                          Rivera K-Tre'<br />
                          Framus Cobra &amp; Dragon<br />
                          Ampeg VH-140c<br />
                          Engl Savage 120 &amp; Powerball<br />
                          Mesa Dual Rectifier<br />
                          <b>ESP Guitars</b><br />
                          <br />
                          HC References<br />
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                          • #14
                            I have been seeing so many of these threads "my amp doesn't cut, help." It is more than just coincidence that most of these amps that apparently don't cut are also the amps that sound REALLY BIG and THICK on their own.

                            While my opinion is in fact, only an opinion, look at my sig, I have owned and played A LOT high end, high gain amps. I have also played in a band for quite a while now, and played with many guitarists. Also, I have a VERY critical ear when it comes to live guitar tones.

                            Basically, it is very hard to have an amp that sounds HUGE and cuts through extremely well at the same time. About the only two amps that do it are the Cobra and 5150.

                            You have guys with the rectifiers and uberschalls who are always complaining about their tone being loose and not cutting. The more lowend, and low-mids your amp produces, the less it is going to cut most likely. Comparatively, the less lowend and more midrange and highs you have, the better you will cut, but the thinner you will sound. So, take all these HUGE sounding amps and guess what, they arnt going to slice through the live mix as well as we all would like them too, that's just the way it is kids.

                            Another "coincidence", look at all the tighter amps out there: Cobra, VHTs, Quickrod, 5150 II, Laney, ENGL, MAKO etc. These amps are all stupid tight, AND have a brighter, more mid voiced tone.

                            Take the Looser amps out there: Uberschall, Recto, Dragon, etc. they are voiced darker and thicker. yet they dont cut as well as the others.

                            Basically, to sum things up, its a trade off. its damn hard to have a super tight and cutting amp that sounds super thick at the same time. Like I said, the only amps that I have played that can combine both qualities are the Cobra and the 5150 series amps.

                            I just want people to know, that there is a trade-off for going too extreme in either direction.

                            1. A VERY bright amp will usually yield a thinner, more brittle tone.
                            and
                            2. A VERY dark amp will yield a looser tone that doesn't cut very well.

                            Amen.


                            thank you dr phil for being right all the goddamn time and correcting me....my DSL cuts thru just fine without your **************************** advice


                            please people...play what you think sounds great and dont take the advice of the elite ****************************s who have so called ''owned'' everything say.......

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                              wait

                              nevermind
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