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  • The Be All, End All for why or why NOT YOUR Amp Cuts.

    FIRSTLY, I BELIEVE THAT ANY AMP, ESPECIALLY TUBE, CAN CUT IF SET RIGHT.

    I have been seeing so many of these threads "my amp doesn't cut, help." It is more than just coincidence that most of these amps that apparently don't cut are also the amps that sound REALLY BIG and THICK on their own.

    While my opinion is in fact, only an opinion, look at my sig, I have owned and played A LOT high end, high gain amps. I have also played in a band for quite a while now, and played with many guitarists. Also, I have a VERY critical ear when it comes to live guitar tones.

    Basically, it is very hard to have an amp that sounds HUGE and cuts through extremely well at the same time. About the only two amps that do it FOR ME are the Cobra and 5150.

    You have guys with the rectifiers and uberschalls who are always complaining about their tone being loose and not cutting. The more lowend, and low-mids your amp produces, the less it is going to cut most likely. Comparatively, the less lowend and more midrange and highs you have, the better you will cut, but the thinner you will sound. So, take all these HUGE sounding amps and guess what, they arnt going to slice through the live mix as well as we all would like them too, that's just the way it is kids.

    Another "coincidence", look at all the tighter amps out there: Cobra, VHTs, Quickrod, 5150 II, Laney, ENGL, MAKO etc. These amps are all stupid tight, AND have a brighter, more mid voiced tone.

    Take the Looser amps out there: Uberschall, Recto, Dragon, etc. they are voiced darker and thicker. yet they dont cut as well as the others.

    Basically, to sum things up, its a trade off. its damn hard to have a super tight and cutting amp that sounds super thick at the same time. Like I said, the only amps that I have played that can combine both qualities are the Cobra and the 5150 series amps.

    I just want people to know, that there is a trade-off for going too extreme in either direction.

    1. A VERY bright amp will usually yield a thinner, more brittle tone.
    and
    2. A VERY dark amp will yield a looser tone that doesn't cut very well.

    Amen.
    "Follow your instinct.... It usually takes you home."

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    VHT Deliverance
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    Krank Krankenstein +
    Bogner Uberschall Rev Blue
    Rivera K-Tre'
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    My recto cuts
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    Originally Posted by cavemanic


    a pot smoking ENGL player.....thats pretty much the ingredients for a worthless pile of **************** anyway

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    • #3
      my Quick Rod cuts like a samurai sword on fire.
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      • #4
        I want a cobra
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        Originally Posted by MONGO!



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        Originally Posted by nodachi


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        • #5
          I have heard lots of rectos cut through. I watched a guy with a 6505 get drowned out though.
          Originally Posted by thinkpad20


          Then why'd you make this thread?









          Originally Posted by Stevenexp








          Originally Posted by The Scorpion


          No, everybody is going to pretend I never made this thread.



          Bump.

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          • #6
            I have heard lots of rectos cut through. I watched a guy with a 6505 get drowned out though.


            yeah people can really set their amps up for failure live.
            "Follow your instinct.... It usually takes you home."

            Heads:
            Egnater Armageddon
            VHT Deliverance
            Titan Custom 100
            Baron MII 100
            Marshall JCM 800 2203KK
            VHT 100 CL
            Splawn Nitro
            Peavey 6505 & FJA 6505 & 5150 II
            Krank Krankenstein +
            Bogner Uberschall Rev Blue
            Rivera K-Tre'
            Framus Cobra & Dragon
            Ampeg VH-140c
            Engl Savage 120 & Powerball
            Mesa Dual Rectifier
            ESP Guitars

            HC References
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            • #7
              any amp can cut. a pod can cut through too if you EQ it correctly. doesn't necessarily mean it will sound good in the process, but it will cut. basically, people are stupid. /end thread

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              • #8
                yeah people can really set their amps up for failure live.


                I'm not sure how you can make a box of bees sound good? enlighten me.
                Originally Posted by thinkpad20


                Then why'd you make this thread?









                Originally Posted by Stevenexp








                Originally Posted by The Scorpion


                No, everybody is going to pretend I never made this thread.



                Bump.

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                • #9
                  yeah people can really set their amps up for failure live.


                  Thats because bedroom/basement playing is a whole different ballgame from full band setting in a live environment.
                  Fiddles: Gibson Les Paul Classic
                  Warmoth homebuilt Strat
                  Xaviere XV-550

                  Amps: Splawn Quick Rod and matching 2x12
                  Laney VC-30112


                  good dealings with/trade references: MRAAJR, SMASHINGTIME, STRATOSLACKER, MASTERBURRFOOT, BLUPLIRST

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                  • #10
                    I'm not sure how you can make a box of bees sound good? enlighten me.


                    if you are in or around minnesota we can meet up and I would be happy to show you!
                    "Follow your instinct.... It usually takes you home."

                    Heads:
                    Egnater Armageddon
                    VHT Deliverance
                    Titan Custom 100
                    Baron MII 100
                    Marshall JCM 800 2203KK
                    VHT 100 CL
                    Splawn Nitro
                    Peavey 6505 & FJA 6505 & 5150 II
                    Krank Krankenstein +
                    Bogner Uberschall Rev Blue
                    Rivera K-Tre'
                    Framus Cobra & Dragon
                    Ampeg VH-140c
                    Engl Savage 120 & Powerball
                    Mesa Dual Rectifier
                    ESP Guitars

                    HC References
                    http://acapella.harmony-central.com/....php?t=2242115

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                    • #11
                      wat
                      HOURS








                      Originally Posted by thegumbootman


                      I managed to not say the word "****************" until I was 18

                      In primary school when my friends discovered swearing, I thought "I've never said the f-word before. I'm never going to say it". I wanted to say it when I got older (mostly because my friends would nag me about saying it), but I just didn't want to end the streak of not-saying it

                      I ended up accidentally saying it to my girlfriend at the time. I said "Someone told me that Ben got with a really fat girl and he titty-****************ed her"

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                      • #12
                        I have been seeing so many of these threads "my amp doesn't cut, help." It is more than just coincidence that most of these amps that apparently don't cut are also the amps that sound REALLY BIG and THICK on their own.

                        While my opinion is in fact, only an opinion, look at my sig, I have owned and played A LOT high end, high gain amps. I have also played in a band for quite a while now, and played with many guitarists. Also, I have a VERY critical ear when it comes to live guitar tones.

                        Basically, it is very hard to have an amp that sounds HUGE and cuts through extremely well at the same time. About the only two amps that do it are the Cobra and 5150.

                        You have guys with the rectifiers and uberschalls who are always complaining about their tone being loose and not cutting. The more lowend, and low-mids your amp produces, the less it is going to cut most likely. Comparatively, the less lowend and more midrange and highs you have, the better you will cut, but the thinner you will sound. So, take all these HUGE sounding amps and guess what, they arnt going to slice through the live mix as well as we all would like them too, that's just the way it is kids.

                        Another "coincidence", look at all the tighter amps out there: Cobra, VHTs, Quickrod, 5150 II, Laney, ENGL, MAKO etc. These amps are all stupid tight, AND have a brighter, more mid voiced tone.

                        Take the Looser amps out there: Uberschall, Recto, Dragon, etc. they are voiced darker and thicker. yet they dont cut as well as the others.

                        Basically, to sum things up, its a trade off. its damn hard to have a super tight and cutting amp that sounds super thick at the same time. Like I said, the only amps that I have played that can combine both qualities are the Cobra and the 5150 series amps.

                        I just want people to know, that there is a trade-off for going too extreme in either direction.

                        1. A VERY bright amp will usually yield a thinner, more brittle tone.
                        and
                        2. A VERY dark amp will yield a looser tone that doesn't cut very well.

                        Amen.


                        There are a couple of things:

                        1) NOT ALL amps are created equally

                        2) Having the right gear, IS a HUGE part of the journey, BUT... knowing what to do with it, is what ends up determining if one ever reaches their tone destination

                        3) There is NO accounting for taste, and some guys can take the best gear in the world, and their talent is... achieving the WORST possible tone out of it, and then those same guys rave about how great the tone is, all the while saying that it doesn't cut for some "unknown" mysterious reason.

                        4) KNOWING what equipment it "Actually" takes to get the "right" tone is often NOT known by people.

                        My $.02

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                        • #13
                          Thats because bedroom/basement playing is a whole different ballgame from full band setting in a live environment.


                          Exactly, a lot of people don't understand this.
                          "Follow your instinct.... It usually takes you home."

                          Heads:
                          Egnater Armageddon
                          VHT Deliverance
                          Titan Custom 100
                          Baron MII 100
                          Marshall JCM 800 2203KK
                          VHT 100 CL
                          Splawn Nitro
                          Peavey 6505 & FJA 6505 & 5150 II
                          Krank Krankenstein +
                          Bogner Uberschall Rev Blue
                          Rivera K-Tre'
                          Framus Cobra & Dragon
                          Ampeg VH-140c
                          Engl Savage 120 & Powerball
                          Mesa Dual Rectifier
                          ESP Guitars

                          HC References
                          http://acapella.harmony-central.com/....php?t=2242115

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                          • #14
                            I have been seeing so many of these threads "my amp doesn't cut, help." It is more than just coincidence that most of these amps that apparently don't cut are also the amps that sound REALLY BIG and THICK on their own.

                            While my opinion is in fact, only an opinion, look at my sig, I have owned and played A LOT high end, high gain amps. I have also played in a band for quite a while now, and played with many guitarists. Also, I have a VERY critical ear when it comes to live guitar tones.

                            Basically, it is very hard to have an amp that sounds HUGE and cuts through extremely well at the same time. About the only two amps that do it are the Cobra and 5150.

                            You have guys with the rectifiers and uberschalls who are always complaining about their tone being loose and not cutting. The more lowend, and low-mids your amp produces, the less it is going to cut most likely. Comparatively, the less lowend and more midrange and highs you have, the better you will cut, but the thinner you will sound. So, take all these HUGE sounding amps and guess what, they arnt going to slice through the live mix as well as we all would like them too, that's just the way it is kids.

                            Another "coincidence", look at all the tighter amps out there: Cobra, VHTs, Quickrod, 5150 II, Laney, ENGL, MAKO etc. These amps are all stupid tight, AND have a brighter, more mid voiced tone.

                            Take the Looser amps out there: Uberschall, Recto, Dragon, etc. they are voiced darker and thicker. yet they dont cut as well as the others.

                            Basically, to sum things up, its a trade off. its damn hard to have a super tight and cutting amp that sounds super thick at the same time. Like I said, the only amps that I have played that can combine both qualities are the Cobra and the 5150 series amps.

                            I just want people to know, that there is a trade-off for going too extreme in either direction.

                            1. A VERY bright amp will usually yield a thinner, more brittle tone.
                            and
                            2. A VERY dark amp will yield a looser tone that doesn't cut very well.

                            Amen.


                            thank you dr phil for being right all the **************************** time and correcting me....my DSL cuts thru just fine without your **************************** advice


                            please people...play what you think sounds great and dont take the advice of the elite ****************************s who have so called ''owned'' everything say.......

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                            • #15
                              wait

                              nevermind
                              Originally Posted by TomVanDeven


                              **************** off with that. Plexis dont have speed knobs.



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