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  • Lipstick on a Pig, Bugera mod and tubes

    So I spent a little time on the booger today.

    First I pulled all the tubes, after doing so I noticed that those UGLY "chrome" grill pieces could be removed.

    So I did just that, and I think its a nice improvement. (I actually don't hate looking at it now)

    Heres what stock looks like:


    And heres after the mod:




    A lot simpler and less flashy = better.

    So now onto the tone aspects.
    I picked up a quad of JJ 6L6GCs this weekend, along with 2 JAN 12AT7s and 3 Tung Sol 12AX7s.

    I threw the AX7s in both the crunch and lead channels and the AT7s in the PI and Clean positions.
    The JAN AT7 in the clean position with my set up is just too harsh so I swapped it out for the other AX7 (will probably switch it with a 5751 soon).

    I'm honestly amazed at the tonal improvement. Seriously the stock tubes were TERRIBLE in comparison. I was surprised at how much this quieted the amp up. (I wasn't even using my gate)

    Quick review

    Cleans - A little to gainy, but smoother after pulling the AT7 and putting in the AX7. It could still use some warming but with a little knob tweaking I got a decent amount of good tones from it, I only wish it had a gain control. Not my ideal clean but 100% usuable in live situation.

    Crunch - WOW. This channel I would say improved the most. Feels a lot tighter and I can actually push the gain without it saturating into mud. Bite and clarity were definitely improved.

    Lead - Quieted down quite a bit, and in a good way. Had to EQ it a bit differently, but with a boost I was VERY happy with it. Probably the best channel on the amp, pinches and naturals seems to come out better after the swap. We'll see if it cuts better tomorrow at practice.


    I used my C-1+ with TS-808 and framus cab with V30s & G12T75s.

    I DO NOT like EMGs with this amp, they just don't mesh well. (at least not my viper)

    Anyway I'm very happy I spent the cash on a retube. Improvement to the point where I'll confidently gig it (the confidence being in the tone, reliability is something only time will tell on this one).

    Anyway feel free to flame away, I had an awesome amp day.

    Made it better looking and improved tone 100% in only a couple hours. So I'm very happy.
    Current Gear
    ESP/Fender >> Blackstar/Randall >> Randall/Mesa


    Tully's Shop - Excellent Luthier work and Custom Guitars in the Chicago area

  • #2
    still want a 6260
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    Peavey 5150 Sig-Biased
    B52 AT412-Hellatone60Ls x G12T-75s
    Marshall 78' Slant-crap speakers
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    • #3
      still want a 6260


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      • #4
        still want a 6260


        Haven't played one, but tonally speaking I can recommend this amp without flinching.

        In my last band we had a guitarist that played a XXX. I don't know what tubes he was running, but he was playing through a 1960 with a similar pick up set to mine. And I will say without a doubt the Bugera sounds better, maybe its the speakers, maybe he had old tubes, maybe he's just not good at EQing.

        This Bugera sounds better without a doubt. Its also WAAAAAYYYYY less noisy.
        And I've gotten tones usable for any kind of modern rock. I'm very happy with this thing, think I may try a 6260 if I get a chance. But I'm a 3 channel guy and this does a great job at what I need it for.
        Current Gear
        ESP/Fender >> Blackstar/Randall >> Randall/Mesa


        Tully's Shop - Excellent Luthier work and Custom Guitars in the Chicago area

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        • #5
          Clips? I have yet to try one of these. Looks alot better. Hey paintkills, you start sanding the ibanez yet?
          Originally Posted by gsxrbusa


          "Is that an AMT in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"




          AMT Army-SGT Major Br00tz








          Originally Posted by Samnite


          Goddamn it. Killzone'd.




          My netmusicians clips....
          http://www.netmusicians.org/index.ph...e&section=user

          Current Crap....
          Marshall Lead 100
          Marshall jcm800 1960 cab
          AMT P1
          AMT E1
          Boss HM-2
          Parker P42 Stock Pup's
          BC Rich Warlock NT (Lace Deathbucker)

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          • #6
            looks much better IMO man, nice upgrade. Have you gotten a chance to compare it with the 333XL? And yeah, some clips would be great!
            "The fool doth think he is wise, but the wiseman knows himself to be a fool." - W.S.
            Good Transactions List
            Amp clips

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            • #7
              Only recording I ever do isdirect in with modeling.

              I think my guitar, amp, cab, and pedal/effect gas is decently suppressed right now. So I may pick up an SM57 and something to record with.

              Any suggestions?

              I'd really like to get some clips of this thing to show you guys.

              looks much better IMO man, nice upgrade. Have you gotten a chance to compare it with the 333XL? And yeah, some clips would be great!


              Thanks, I was thinking about pulling the Bugera logo too. I think it'd look pretty cool that way.
              I haven't gotten a change to compare it to a 333XL, however this amp sounds great with 6L6s. And 333XL comes with EL34s, I honestly don't think this amp would sound anywhere near as good with EL34s. American voiced without a doubt.

              Plus I have a better gate than the XL and I don't need presence control. I would like to try the voicing options the XL has, but I'm happy with it as is.
              Current Gear
              ESP/Fender >> Blackstar/Randall >> Randall/Mesa


              Tully's Shop - Excellent Luthier work and Custom Guitars in the Chicago area

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              • #8
                Only recording I ever do isdirect in with modeling.

                I think my guitar, amp, cab, and pedal/effect gas is decently suppressed right now. So I may pick up an SM57 and something to record with.

                Any suggestions?

                I'd really like to get some clips of this thing to show you guys.



                Thanks, I was thinking about pulling the Bugera logo too. I think it'd look pretty cool that way.
                I haven't gotten a change to compare it to a 333XL, however this amp sounds great with 6L6s. And 333XL comes with EL34s, I honestly don't think this amp would sound anywhere near as good with EL34s. American voiced without a doubt.

                Plus I have a better gate than the XL and I don't need presence control. I would like to try the voicing options the XL has, but I'm happy with it as is.



                Yeah a sm57 or a audix i5 or even an e609. All good mics. Then get a sound card that records in 24 bit.
                Originally Posted by gsxrbusa


                "Is that an AMT in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"




                AMT Army-SGT Major Br00tz








                Originally Posted by Samnite


                Goddamn it. Killzone'd.




                My netmusicians clips....
                http://www.netmusicians.org/index.ph...e&section=user

                Current Crap....
                Marshall Lead 100
                Marshall jcm800 1960 cab
                AMT P1
                AMT E1
                Boss HM-2
                Parker P42 Stock Pup's
                BC Rich Warlock NT (Lace Deathbucker)

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                • #9

                  Thanks, I was thinking about pulling the Bugera logo too. I think it'd look pretty cool that way.
                  I haven't gotten a change to compare it to a 333XL, however this amp sounds great with 6L6s. And 333XL comes with EL34s, I honestly don't think this amp would sound anywhere near as good with EL34s. American voiced without a doubt.

                  Plus I have a better gate than the XL and I don't need presence control. I would like to try the voicing options the XL has, but I'm happy with it as is.

                  I don't think the logo looks bad at all on there man, looks much better without the plate behind it. Also, now that you mention it, the presence control is something I was wondering about. Does the damping affect the presence at all?
                  "The fool doth think he is wise, but the wiseman knows himself to be a fool." - W.S.
                  Good Transactions List
                  Amp clips

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                  • #10
                    I don't think the logo looks bad at all on there man, looks much better without the plate behind it. Also, now that you mention it, the presence control is something I was wondering about. Does the damping affect the presence at all?


                    Honestly I've yet to toy with it. Plans for the week are to try it on the other cab for which its meant (4 V30s rather than the mix) and to throw my rack unit on top and and play with dampening.
                    Current Gear
                    ESP/Fender >> Blackstar/Randall >> Randall/Mesa


                    Tully's Shop - Excellent Luthier work and Custom Guitars in the Chicago area

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                    • #11
                      How are the FX loops on these things, assuming they have one?
                      BG Pickups are awesome: www.norcalguitars.com

                      Arend @ Sweetwater =







                      Originally Posted by Guitarist+


                      I don't need your empathy.

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                      • #12
                        How are the FX loops on these things, assuming they have one?


                        I'll let you know if a few days. It has pots to adjust both the send and return levels so it should be flexible.
                        Current Gear
                        ESP/Fender >> Blackstar/Randall >> Randall/Mesa


                        Tully's Shop - Excellent Luthier work and Custom Guitars in the Chicago area

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                        • #13

                          I picked up a quad of JJ 6L6GCs


                          FAIL.

                          try the Ruby EL34 BSTR's or TAD 6L6GC's next time. I've used the JJ's 6L6GC's, their KT77's and EL34R's and EL34L's and they all pale in comparison to the rubys and TAD's.
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                          • #14
                            So I spent a little time on the booger today.

                            First I pulled all the tubes, after doing so I noticed that those UGLY "chrome" grill pieces could be removed.

                            So I did just that, and I think its a nice improvement. (I actually don't hate looking at it now)

                            Heres what stock looks like:


                            And heres after the mod:




                            A lot simpler and less flashy = better.

                            So now onto the tone aspects.
                            I picked up a quad of JJ 6L6GCs this weekend, along with 2 JAN 12AT7s and 3 Tung Sol 12AX7s.

                            I threw the AX7s in both the crunch and lead channels and the AT7s in the PI and Clean positions.
                            The JAN AT7 in the clean position with my set up is just too harsh so I swapped it out for the other AX7 (will probably switch it with a 5751 soon).

                            I'm honestly amazed at the tonal improvement. Seriously the stock tubes were TERRIBLE in comparison. I was surprised at how much this quieted the amp up. (I wasn't even using my gate)

                            Quick review

                            Cleans - A little to gainy, but smoother after pulling the AT7 and putting in the AX7. It could still use some warming but with a little knob tweaking I got a decent amount of good tones from it, I only wish it had a gain control. Not my ideal clean but 100% usuable in live situation.

                            Crunch - WOW. This channel I would say improved the most. Feels a lot tighter and I can actually push the gain without it saturating into mud. Bite and clarity were definitely improved.

                            Lead - Quieted down quite a bit, and in a good way. Had to EQ it a bit differently, but with a boost I was VERY happy with it. Probably the best channel on the amp, pinches and naturals seems to come out better after the swap. We'll see if it cuts better tomorrow at practice.


                            I used my C-1+ with TS-808 and framus cab with V30s & G12T75s.

                            I DO NOT like EMGs with this amp, they just don't mesh well. (at least not my viper)

                            Anyway I'm very happy I spent the cash on a retube. Improvement to the point where I'll confidently gig it (the confidence being in the tone, reliability is something only time will tell on this one).

                            Anyway feel free to flame away, I had an awesome amp day.

                            Made it better looking and improved tone 100% in only a couple hours. So I'm very happy.


                            Great review!

                            Nice job on pulling the chrome off. It looks less cheap now.
                            I see one of those 5150 knockoffs in my future.
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                            Originally Posted by Norton666


                            Man , Ive held off replying to any Klops threads because its kind of like the sweet , naive retarded kid down the street who is out putting in hours on his pogo stick every single night with dreams of someday going pro . You have to admire his ambition and determination , but at some point , he will realize he is retarded and there isnt a pro pogo stick league. I just dont wanna be the guy to tell him . Wait...............

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                            • #15
                              FAIL.

                              try the Ruby EL34 BSTR's or TAD 6L6GC's next time. I've used the JJ's 6L6GC's, their KT77's and EL34R's and EL34L's and they all pale in comparison to the rubys and TAD's.


                              You fail.

                              TADs are what came stock and I don't like them at all in this amp.
                              I tried my Winged C EL34s in it this morning, and NO. EL34 FTL in the 333.

                              The JJs are highly recommended in XXXs and thats why I chose them.

                              Right now as far as power tubes go I have:

                              Winged C EL34
                              Winged C 6L6
                              TAD 6L6GC
                              JJ 6L6GC

                              I haven't tried the C 6L6s in it, but I like them so much in my Randall I'm not even gonna try it. I only tried the EL34s because I was curious and had a bit of time before work today.
                              Current Gear
                              ESP/Fender >> Blackstar/Randall >> Randall/Mesa


                              Tully's Shop - Excellent Luthier work and Custom Guitars in the Chicago area

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