Members OverDriven Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 I know this is a common practice in electronic/dance music, but I'm wondering if any of you guys do this with rock/metal tracks. Obviously you wouldn't want to do it to the same extreme you find in dance music (where the track is "pumping"). I've just been messing with some electronic stuff in Ableton tonight and discovered how hard you can make the kick hit with sidechain compression since it momentarily reduces everything else's volume and allows the kick to use the amp's full power. I haven't tried it with a rock track yet, but I'm curious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tommy Horrible Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 I know a dude in Cleveland that uses a lot of side chain and ducking on snare and kicks. His {censored} sounds like dick IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gt_jumper Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 {censored} no! Live i have thought about using it but only had the capability to do it recently, would like to try it though (although we just bought a trigger setup it pointless now ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OverDriven Posted January 3, 2012 Author Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 I know a dude in Cleveland that uses a lot of side chain and ducking on snare and kicks. His {censored} sounds like dick IMO. Thanks for the input. I wonder why he's doing it on snare. It's not like the snare takes up much energy since it's mostly high/high-mid frequencies. I'm going to have to try this myself to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tommy Horrible Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 {censored} no! Live i have thought about using it but only had the capability to do it recently, would like to try it though (although we just bought a trigger setup it pointless now ) Did you get the Steven Slate Trigger Platinum? I {censored}ing love this plug-in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tommy Horrible Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Thanks for the input. I wonder why he's doing it on snare. It's not like the snare takes up much energy since it's mostly high/high-mid frequencies. I'm going to have to try this myself to find out. I don't know, but here's some of his stuff. [video=youtube;r66oiD492-k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r66oiD492-k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mesa4x12er2 Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Only time I would ever do it is if I wanted a huge bass tone and huge kick. I would only duck the bass when the kick hit and I would only duck it 1-3dB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gt_jumper Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Did you get the Steven Slate Trigger Platinum? I {censored}ing love this plug-in. Yes i did, And its {censored}ing great just as you say Although i have only used the kick so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members exafro Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 So how do you guys sidechain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gt_jumper Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 So how do you guys sidechain? Send some of the channel you want to compress with (the one you want to poke out more) through the aux to the side chain input on your compressor. It will then compress the channel running though the comp. Im hoping you where asking to? well thats how i was gunna do it anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tommy Horrible Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Yes i did, And its {censored}ing great just as you say Although i have only used the kick so far. Yeah, I love it, I think I might be over using it, doing replacement of all the close mics and blending them with overheads, but {censored} it. It sounds so great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gt_jumper Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Yeah, I love it, I think I might be over using it, doing replacement of all the close mics and blending them with overheads, but {censored} it. It sounds so great. Yeah dude, They sound like {censored} by themselves but with room and overheads they kick ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tommy Horrible Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Yeah dude, They sound like {censored} by themselves but with room and overheads they kick ass Yeah, {censored} sounds funky Isolated, but in the mix it's tits. They sit perfect. Made me re-evalute my whole idea on how drums should sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ovid9 Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Yeah, {censored} sounds funky Isolated, but in the mix it's tits. They sit perfect. Made me re-evalute my whole idea on how drums should sound. Drums should sound like clicks and weird completely inorganic digital cymbal hits (exactly the same each time) and should be fixed to be in inhumanly perfect time no matter what. The bass should be non-existent in the mix at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tommy Horrible Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Drums should sound like clicks and weird completely inorganic digital cymbal hits (exactly the same each time) and should be fixed to be in inhumanly perfect time no matter what. The bass should be non-existent in the mix at all. I know your joking, but Imo the art doing replacing individual drum mics and mixing them with overheads is invaluable to learn. I would never replace cymbals though. {censored} that. Mixing replaced drum samples with the natural sounds of the kit you get from a good pair of overheads like my Neumann KM184s sounds {censored}ing tits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Nerine Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jeid2000 Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 I've never found sidechaining to work on the style of stuff I've recorded. Slate Trigger is {censored}in awesome. Blending multiple samples together with real drums is great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members newholland Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 why would you want drums 'out of the way' in rock music? always seemed to me like you duck stuff to keep it outa the way of the vox-- but without the sorta 'central heartbeat' of the rhythm section, you'd kinda lose the drive of rock music. hell.. i'd rather duck vocals to get them out of the way of the rhythm section.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PaoloJM Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Definitely not for rock genres.Some metal genres are getting so inhuman sounding that a technique from electronic music (like side-chaining kicks) might just work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OverDriven Posted January 3, 2012 Author Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 why would you want drums 'out of the way' in rock music? always seemed to me like you duck stuff to keep it outa the way of the vox-- but without the sorta 'central heartbeat' of the rhythm section, you'd kinda lose the drive of rock music. hell.. i'd rather duck vocals to get them out of the way of the rhythm section.. You misread. I'm talking about ducking the guitars and bass when the kick hits to make more room for the kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ovid9 Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 I know your joking, but Imo the art doing replacing individual drum mics and mixing them with overheads is invaluable to learn. I would never replace cymbals though. {censored} that. Mixing replaced drum samples with the natural sounds of the kit you get from a good pair of overheads like my Neumann KM184s sounds {censored}ing tits. Recording is an art. And thanks to all of you around here, some albums have drum stuff especially that grates on me now. Like, all the drums will sound pretty good except one of the cymbals is obviously (and badly) replaced digitally. I figure sample replacement is done on tons of albums and most of the time I'd have no clue. That's pretty cool to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nerol1st Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 No I think it sounds weird unless you are using a trigger track to compress the kick using that as the input... But otherwise no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ENdtime Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 When my friends next album is released, I'll have to post a track because they did a fair amount of sidechaining and the drums sound monstrous! It's a doom band,.so it's slow and has room in the mix to get such a big sound, but in the right context, any and all techniques should be experimented with.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tommy Horrible Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Recording is an art. And thanks to all of you around here, some albums have drum stuff especially that grates on me now. Like, all the drums will sound pretty good except one of the cymbals is obviously (and badly) replaced digitally. I figure sample replacement is done on tons of albums and most of the time I'd have no clue. That's pretty cool to me. I would never replace cymbals, I can't imagine that would sound anything but like monstrous dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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