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    I thought there was already a gun thread. But can't find it. So deal, brosephs! Looking for your opinions on these guns.



    Trying to narrow my choices down for my first pistol. I've shot so many over the last few years and I go to the range all the time. But I don't own. I rent. Think it's time to pull the trigger on my first one (see what I did there).



    I'm going with a .45 ACP. I just shoot the best with that caliber. It's not about stopping power to me. It's about what feels the best in my hands. 9mm is ok. .40 is too snappy and it's hard for me to control. .45 is perfect.



    Went to the range today and shot the following:



    FNH FNX

    Glock 21

    S&W M&P

    Sig P220

    HK USP

    Springfield XDm



    All guns were fired at 25 feet.



    First up: S&W M&P 45





    I thought I'd like this one because one of the first handguns I ever shot was an M&P 9mm. And I remember liking it. But this is the first I've shot one in about two years. And I really disliked it. From my notes on the target, all I wrote was, "AWFUL." I should have written, "GOD AWFUL." Couldn't shoot accurately at all. Trigger felt numb. Zero feel for trigger reengagement. Shots were all over the place. I can cross this one off my list. One of the WORST triggers I've ever felt. Mostly because it's hinged in the middle for the trigger safety. Bad design.









    Glock 21







    This one surprised me just as much as the M&P. But for a different reason. I shot a few Glocks (9mm) a few years ago and remember not liking them at all. But this one felt really good. It was a 4th Gen version. Nothing stood out as being good nor bad about it. It was just an all around gun that worked. No frills. It didn't jump out at me as being "The One." But it shot and felt good.









    FNH FNX

    Can't find a pic of an FNX. But the FNP is pretty much the same gun.







    Sweet Jesus! Awesome feeling gun. Didn't have to aim at all. Just point in the general direction and the bullets somehow find their way to the target. It's like that scene from The 5th Element where General Zorg or Borg or Florg fires at those aliens and the bullets curve in midair around them to hit another target. ****************ing magic technology and magnets and ****************. One of the best feeling guns I've shot besides a 1911 (and possibly the Sig P220, but we'll get to that). Stippling on the grip was uncomfortable and I cried like a pansie.









    Sig P220







    Hells yeah. Look at that grouping. Just like the FNX, this thing shoots where you point it. Trigger is baller. Felt so good, very much like a 1911. Loading the magazine was painful, though. I cried some. Most expensive gun of the bunch, though. Kind of ugly. Lowest magazine capacity as well, at 8 rounds. All the others were upwards of 12 or 13 rounds.









    XDm 45







    Felt very much like the Glock. Shot well. But nothing stood out as being good nor bad. Comfortable and super easy to load.



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    HK USP 45







    I shot fairly well with this one. But the hump in the bottom of the trigger guard made it uncomfortable. Pair that with the trigger-guard mag release and I can probably cross it off my list. It also has no spur on the hammer, so you can't cock it without racking the slide. But it is still somewhat of a DA/SA in that you can shoot it with a full squeeze uncocked or rack the slide and shoot it like that. Felt pretty good in my hand, though besides the trigger issue. Shot a little to the right for some reason. Maybe the sights were off. Maybe the hump in the trigger guard was throwing me. Maybe I was anticipating. Who knows.



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    • #3
      No interest in a more traditional 1911 or some variant?
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      • #4






        Quote Originally Posted by Zeppelin Rules
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        No interest in a more traditional 1911 or some variant?




        I love the 1911. But for my first gun that I'll be owning, I think I wan to go with something with a higher capacity and easier to maintain. I'll probably end up getting a 1911 at some point anyway.
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        • #5
          The FN is awesome as is the USP and the XD.



          However, for me, I'd rather have something like a Springfield 1911 Range Officer, especially if it's your first gun. I would recommend a striker fired gun for someone's first time. With the 1911 you can easily identify what condition it's in by the very obvious hammer and safety. They are rugged and aren't hard to clean at all. A great place to start.



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          • #6
            I have a Sig Sauer 229 and I love it. It is a few dollars more, but just take one out to the range.
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            • #7
              The M&P still has that old Sigma style trigger to it, it isn't a bad trigger but it definitely is different than any other gun out there. The first time I shot a Sigma (yes I'm old enough to have shot them when they came out decades ago) and more recently the M&P, I thought the guns were broken the triggers felt so bad/off/heavy... like a balky, rusty gate. Once that trigger was "learned", it isn't too bad but it definitely isn't a target gun's trigger. It is meant as a duty weapon and I accept it as that.



              My P220ST in .45 is crazily accurate. DA or SA, the Sig trigger is just amazing for a stock pistol. I'd not hesitate taking any tight shot with that pistol, DA or SA. It wouldn't be my first choice, I mean my Nowlin 9x23mm 1911 prints silver dollar sized groups at 25 yards, but it cost me 4x as much and BETTER shoot better than I can!



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              • #8
                Right now I'm deciding for my first gun between a remington 870 or a mossberg 500...to be used for home defense. The GF likes the feel of the 870 better but we have only been able to hold tactical versions of the 500 so I'm not sure what the differences between the version of the 500 would be but I'm holding out for the persuader version.
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                • #9
                  H&K's are nice looking guns, but way to expensive for me. Plus, they don't have the capacity of a Glock. Full frame, all metal guns are like have a brick strapped to your side. A little subcompact with an IWB holster is the ticket, but they do have more recoil because they're so light.

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                    • #11
                      OP based on your descriptions and performance, I'd buy that SIG P220. Have a means to carry a spare mag or two. Even the best pistols aren't really intended for prolonged gunfights, right ? Use your 8+1, reload and GTFO and figure out why you stepped into a war and how to run like hell away. Or at least how to get to where your long gun is.



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                      • #12






                        Quote Originally Posted by Kardula
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                        Right now I'm deciding for my first gun between a remington 870 or a mossberg 500...to be used for home defense. The GF likes the feel of the 870 better but we have only been able to hold tactical versions of the 500 so I'm not sure what the differences between the version of the 500 would be but I'm holding out for the persuader version.




                        Funny you should mention the Mossberg 500 Persuader tactical.



                        That's my only shotgun. It seems nice, but I have nothing to which I can compare it.



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                        • #13
                          I rented some guns at a range in Colorado



                          I tried a Glock 22 .40, and a Springfield XD .45



                          I was shooting the glock like a champ. The XD didn't agree with me for some reason.
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                          • #14
                            sig or HK here.

                            i have a sig sp2022 in 9mm, and i want a 229 and a USP
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                            • #15






                              Quote Originally Posted by MattACaster
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                              The FN is awesome as is the USP and the XD.



                              However, for me, I'd rather have something like a Springfield 1911 Range Officer, especially if it's your first gun. I would recommend a striker fired gun for someone's first time. With the 1911 you can easily identify what condition it's in by the very obvious hammer and safety. They are rugged and aren't hard to clean at all. A great place to start.




                              Keep in mind I've been shooting for a number of years. But I've always just rented at the range. And I've taken a number of gun courses, NRA, safety, etc. So I feel I'm quite competent when it comes to gun safety and knowing to handle a firearm. Having a hammer-fired gun is great because yeah... you know very easily if it's cocked and there's added safety there. But I most likely will not be carrying. I don't have a CCW.



                              I watched some vids of how to strip/clean 1911s. And it's not rocket science. But it's definitely more complicated than a Glock or XD in that you have to use a "tool" to do it. I could be wrong, but I was also under the impression that maintaining a 1911 was more involved and that they are more finicky and prone to malfunction if everything isn't "just so." But, I could be mistaken.



                              In any event, I LOVE 1911s. And will most likely get one in the future.









                              Quote Originally Posted by Viesczy
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                              The M&P still has that old Sigma style trigger to it, it isn't a bad trigger but it definitely is different than any other gun out there. The first time I shot a Sigma (yes I'm old enough to have shot them when they came out decades ago) and more recently the M&P, I thought the guns were broken the triggers felt so bad/off/heavy... like a balky, rusty gate. Once that trigger was "learned", it isn't too bad but it definitely isn't a target gun's trigger. It is meant as a duty weapon and I accept it as that.




                              The trigger on the M&P didn't feel heavy or rough. To me it felt loose and squishy because it's hinged in the middle. It's not crisp enough for me. But I certainly understand it's philosophy of use in that it was designed as a service weapon.









                              Quote Originally Posted by midnightlaundry
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                              H&K's are nice looking guns, but way to expensive for me. Plus, they don't have the capacity of a Glock. Full frame, all metal guns are like have a brick strapped to your side. A little subcompact with an IWB holster is the ticket, but they do have more recoil because they're so light.




                              Yeah, I think the HK is off my list. But I love all-metal guns.



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                              Quote Originally Posted by Reverse Entropy
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                              OP based on your descriptions and performance, I'd buy that SIG P220. Have a means to carry a spare mag or two. Even the best pistols aren't really intended for prolonged gunfights, right ? Use your 8+1, reload and GTFO and figure out why you stepped into a war and how to run like hell away. Or at least how to get to where your long gun is.




                              lol, yeah the Sig is pretty freakin' sweet. Looking at my grouping right now and there's just a giant hole in the center of the target. I won't be carrying any time soon. And I do wish it had a higher capacity. But it's still on my list! If I could have any two guns, I think it'd be the Sig P220 and either the Glock or XDm.









                              Quote Originally Posted by Inspector 71
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                              I rented some guns at a range in Colorado



                              I tried a Glock 22 .40, and a Springfield XD .45



                              I was shooting the glock like a champ. The XD didn't agree with me for some reason.




                              I can't shoot .40 at all. Too snappy. Bullets land all over the place. It's like I'm an evil henchman from a movie where none of 'em can hit the good guy.
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