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  • #16
    The drummer in my old band lived in an apt and all he could get away with was an electric kit.



    Drums are obscenely loud. I don't think you're going to be able get away with it.
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    • #17
      No way that's going to work in an apartment. I would look at a good electronic set as a possible solution. Besides, if you ever want to record drums then you can hook it up to your computer, send the Midi to Superior Drummer or another drum module and you'll have killer sounding recordings without miking anything up.
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      • #18






        Quote Originally Posted by this is paul
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        No. It's possible with electronics if you live on the first floor, but otherwise the constant kick pedal action will have your neighbors knocking in no time.




        Even then, you'd either want very solid walls or some rather cooperative neighbours. Or both. Even an e-drum kit still makes a fair bit of noise. Nowhere near an acoustic kit of course, but you're still whacking **************** with sticks.



        Got a drummer friend you can borrow some sticks and a practice pad from? Coz that'd give you a bit of an idea what it'd sound like in your place hitting just one pad. Then imagine a whole kit of that.
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        • #19
          yeah, you are gonna want to start looking at a digital kit.





          luckily you are on the first floor. so the kick action wont pound on someone's ceiling.





          but padded real drums still put out a ton of sound.
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          Originally Posted by duncan


          I wonder what a persons life must be like if they're so easily affected by my posting on an Internet forum.









          Originally Posted by Rear Naked


          I saw 2 guys do it, and all they did was laugh really hard and say What The **************** a few times. No deaths or near-deaths occured.

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          • #20
            I have a massive e-drum kit and while I don't live in an apartment I can tell you some key tips to keeping things quiet.



            Firstly, build yourself one of these platforms.



            Secondly, the new(ish) Yamaha DTX "XP" series pads are bar none the quietest e-drum pads on the market.



            Rubberized cymbals aren't actually loud at all if you hit them on the rim since the rim is usually the roll over point of the rubber, providing a squishy zone to hit. Yamaha's PCY135 and PCY155 cymbals are the best bang for the buck, but really any of the fully rubberized "realistic looking" cymbals will do. Just don't buy ANY that are plastic or metal with a cushioned strike zone. They are all loud.



            The hi-hat is personal choice. You can get the real deal looking ones (eg Roland VH-12) or the more simplistic ones (eg Roland VH-11) but they're noise level is mostly dependent on your force. Again, only buy the fully rubberized ones. The VH-11 is has the best ratio of quiet play, feel, and price.



            The bass drum is the killer, though. Some bass e-drums are awesome to play on (eg. Yamaha KP125 - best bang for buck bass e-drum) but aren't super quiet. A mesh bass drum (eg. Roland KD140) is the quietest but may be a tad more bouncy than a drummer coming from an acoustic set would want (plus the KD140 is ridiculously expensive).



            Then, of course, there's the other route of just buying an acoustic kit for cheap and then converting it by building in the triggers and replacing the acoustic skins with mesh heads. It's actually not hard to do, it's by far the best looking option, it's closer to the "real" thing, it's cheaper, and it's quiet.
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            • #21
              No way -unless it electronic. That was what sucked about living in NYC -no place to practice unless paying out the a$$ for rehearsal spaces per hour.

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              • #22






                Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Two Tone
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                Do that. I don't find a huge difference between heavily muted acoustic drums and an ekit for environmental noise. The muted acoustic kit will sound like ass, but it's an actual drum kit at those times you can un-mute. Electronic drums sound OK through headphones... but the feel will never quite be right, and they'll never match the sound of acoustic drums. Your call.
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                • #23






                  Quote Originally Posted by ermghoti II
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                  Do that. I don't find a huge difference between heavily muted acoustic drums and an ekit for environmental noise. The muted acoustic kit will sound like ass, but it's an actual drum kit at those times you can un-mute. Electronic drums sound OK through headphones... but the feel will never quite be right, and they'll never match the sound of acoustic drums. Your call.




                  Have you heard Steven Slate Drums 4.0? I guarantee you no one out there without professional recording/micing gear can make their drum recordings sound better.

                  The idea that acoustic drums "just sound better" than absolutely everything that the e-drum market has to offer is such an old cliche. Does anyone here play and record drums? Most acoustic drum sets, in an average Joe's home setup, sound like ear rape.



                  "...they'll never match the sound of acoustic drums." You silly guys. Ten years from now you won't even realize that what you're listening to is entirely programmed.
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                  • #24






                    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Two Tone
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                    Have you heard Steven Slate Drums 4.0? I guarantee you no one out there without professional recording/micing gear can make their drum recordings sound better.

                    The idea that acoustic drums "just sound better" than absolutely everything that the e-drum market has to offer is such an old cliche. Does anyone here play and record drums? Most acoustic drum sets, in an average Joe's home setup, sound like ear rape.




                    Where did I mention better/worse? Sample libraries are great, I have BFD myself. Nothing sounds and feels like acoustic drums, and I'm not talking about recording.









                    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Two Tone
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                    "...they'll never match the sound of acoustic drums." You silly guys. Ten years from now you won't even realize that what you're listening to is entirely programmed.




                    I'm not talking about ten years from now, I'm talking about the entry-level e-kit he is going to buy tomorrow. Ten years from now doesn't help him.
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                    • #25






                      Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Two Tone
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                      Have you heard Steven Slate Drums 4.0? I guarantee you no one out there without professional recording/micing gear can make their drum recordings sound better.

                      The idea that acoustic drums "just sound better" than absolutely everything that the e-drum market has to offer is such an old cliche. Does anyone here play and record drums? Most acoustic drum sets, in an average Joe's home setup, sound like ear rape.



                      "...they'll never match the sound of acoustic drums." You silly guys. Ten years from now you won't even realize that what you're listening to is entirely programmed.




                      how are you still alive with no oxygen reaching your brain?
                      the world is one big fist fight.







                      Originally Posted by duncan


                      I wonder what a persons life must be like if they're so easily affected by my posting on an Internet forum.









                      Originally Posted by Rear Naked


                      I saw 2 guys do it, and all they did was laugh really hard and say What The **************** a few times. No deaths or near-deaths occured.

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                      • #26






                        Quote Originally Posted by ermghoti II
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                        Where did I mention better/worse? Sample libraries are great, I have BFD myself. Nothing sounds and feels like acoustic drums, and I'm not talking about recording.







                        I'm not talking about ten years from now, I'm talking about the entry-level e-kit he is going to buy tomorrow. Ten years from now doesn't help him.




                        Hey, you're right? Sample Libraries ARE great! Like... good enough to allow an apartment drummer to be happy with an e-drum kit.



                        I'm glad we could settle this like gentlemen
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                        • #27






                          Quote Originally Posted by NeloAngelo
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                          how are you still alive with no oxygen reaching your brain?




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                          • #28
                            Roland V drums ftw. Pickup set with mesh heads for reduced volume, the roland cymbals are probably the quietest compared to cheaper brands.
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                            • #29
                              I have a Roland TD9-KX in my appartment.



                              It works...but I'm constantly aware that the entire building is hearing the kick drum and possibly the rubber cymbals, so I only do half hour sessions after work.



                              Better than nothing, far from ideal.

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                              • #30






                                Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Two Tone
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                                Hey, you're right? Sample Libraries ARE great! Like... good enough to allow an apartment drummer to be happy with an e-drum kit.



                                I'm glad we could settle this like gentlemen




                                I'm certainly happy with the ekit in my apartment for practicing, and it's definitely easier to bang out a piattern than to program a piano roll. OTOH, as soon as I got my acoustic kit, I almost completely abandoned playing the ekit, and my rehearsal space is a half hour's drive from home. Playing the ekit is fun, playing the acoustic drains is also fun, but more visceral. Making a physical instrument make a sound is a far different experience than triggering a sample with a controller.
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