Members hcprimerib Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 (reposting here because the 'guitars' forum is lame and doesn't serve my now gratification needs) so what's a general price/value for a 91 Washburn N4? it's in good shape. dude wants to trade but I have no idea what these are worth. tried to find similar in completed auctions on ebay, didn't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LoopQuantum Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 That looks to be the Alder model. And those don't look like the stock pups. $700-$800-ish is what I'd pay for it. Really clean for a '91 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Murdoch Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 Originally Posted by hcprimerib (reposting here because the 'guitars' forum is lame and doesn't serve my now gratification needs) so what's a general price/value for a 91 Washburn N4? it's in good shape. dude wants to trade but I have no idea what these are worth. tried to find similar in completed auctions on ebay, didn't help. A new N4 these days can run you anywhere from $1800-$2300 depending on what kind of deal you get, but a couple of things look sort of off about that guitar.1) The upper joint where the Stephens cutaway meets the body doesn't look flush. Could be the camera angle, but it's something I'd take a look at.2) Those, especially in '91, came with a giant, shiny "N4" decal below the volume knob. Not many of these guitars came without the decal, especially back then.3) The guitar is not stock. Hard to tell what that neck pickup is, but that bridge pickup is definitely not the Bill Lawrence that those guitars come with. What did he do to it?This might be an N2. You absolutely sure this is 1991 N4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LoopQuantum Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 Originally Posted by Murdoch A new N4 these days can run you anywhere from $1800-$2300 depending on what kind of deal you get, but a couple of things look sort of off about that guitar.1) The upper joint where the Stephens cutaway meets the body doesn't look flush. Could be the camera angle, but it's something I'd take a look at. None of them are. my brand new N7 has a slight raise in the upperbody area of the joint too. It's how they are. 2) Those, especially in '91, came with a giant, shiny "N4" decal below the volume knob. Not many of these guitars came without the decal, especially back then. False. Decal wasn't until later. Current N4's have the decal, though the Alder model has always been available without it.3) The guitar is not stock. Hard to tell what that neck pickup is, but that bridge pickup is definitely not the Bill Lawrence that those guitars come with. What did he do to it? True. not stock pupsThis might be an N2. You absolutely sure this is 1991 N4?False. N2 has a 4 bolt traditional neck joint. No Stephens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Murdoch Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 You are correct. I didn't have my coffee this morning. That's no excuse. Just miss my coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Murdoch Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 Also, I'm fiending for my guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hcprimerib Posted December 19, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 cool, thanks for the info guys. he wants to trade for one of my prized amps but I'm going to do it because I'm such a huge nuno fanboi...that knows nothing about his N4 guitars. haha. so thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LoopQuantum Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 OP: I'll also say that I'd play it first if I were you. The early N4's are FANTASTIC guitars, but a '91 in THAT good of shape is scary to me. Here's why.. 1. You NEVER see these without body wear/dirt rubbed into the top after that long. These are essentially bare wood guitars with only a light layer of Tung oil on the body. finding one that's 21 years old, without wear only really happens with collector's pieces. This is obviously not that, since the pups have been swapped. My gut says it's a guitar that hasn't been played much. If it's 21 years old and in that good of shape, and not played much, and the pups are swapped, I'd say it's a guitar that has sat around a good bit without maintenance. I'd check the saddles and trem contact points for oxidation, and the nut. If that's all good, this thing is awesome, and unbelievably well maintained for it's age. If he still has the stock pups, even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members peavey_impact Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 91 means it would have been hand made by Stephen Davies, I believe. It should say "pat pending" on the extended cutaway logo. It should also have come stock with a Kahler Steeler trem. That would be one of the most desirable N4's....I'd jump on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hcprimerib Posted December 19, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 Originally Posted by LoopQuantum OP: I'll also say that I'd play it first if I were you. The early N4's are FANTASTIC guitars, but a '91 in THAT good of shape is scary to me. Here's why..1. You NEVER see these without body wear/dirt rubbed into the top after that long. These are essentially bare wood guitars with only a light layer of Tung oil on the body. finding one that's 21 years old, without wear only really happens with collector's pieces. This is obviously not that, since the pups have been swapped. My gut says it's a guitar that hasn't been played much. If it's 21 years old and in that good of shape, and not played much, and the pups are swapped, I'd say it's a guitar that has sat around a good bit without maintenance. I'd check the saddles and trem contact points for oxidation, and the nut. If that's all good, this thing is awesome, and unbelievably well maintained for it's age. If he still has the stock pups, even better. Yeah, it's a local acquaintance. He used to work at mom and pop music store here in the early 90's and ordered it from the Washburn rep while Nuno was doing an in-store there. He always calls it a "custom shop" N4 but I think that is because all N4's that Washburn made after they took over production from Davies, came from the custom shop guys. And I'm pretty sure those are the pickups that he ordered with it. I'll see him later this week to verify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Murdoch Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 Originally Posted by LoopQuantum OP: I'll also say that I'd play it first if I were you. The early N4's are FANTASTIC guitars, but a '91 in THAT good of shape is scary to me. Here's why..1. You NEVER see these without body wear/dirt rubbed into the top after that long. These are essentially bare wood guitars with only a light layer of Tung oil on the body. finding one that's 21 years old, without wear only really happens with collector's pieces. This is obviously not that, since the pups have been swapped. My gut says it's a guitar that hasn't been played much. If it's 21 years old and in that good of shape, and not played much, and the pups are swapped, I'd say it's a guitar that has sat around a good bit without maintenance. I'd check the saddles and trem contact points for oxidation, and the nut. If that's all good, this thing is awesome, and unbelievably well maintained for it's age. If he still has the stock pups, even better. That. It's incredibly clean. I mean, take a look at Nuno's original N4. It's nowhere near it's original color. Because the guitar is such a bare wood, it takes discoloration when played extensively where it comes in contact with the skin. His guitar looks like it's been to war and back. I don't know why he'd want to swap out the Lawrence, though. Maybe to his tastes, it was a bit too hot in an alder-bodied guitar, and he wanted something with less output. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LoopQuantum Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 Originally Posted by hcprimerib Yeah, it's a local acquaintance. He used to work at mom and pop music store here in the early 90's and ordered it from the Washburn rep while Nuno was doing an in-store there. He always calls it a "custom shop" N4 but I think that is because all N4's that Washburn made after they took over production from Davies, came from the custom shop guys. And I'm pretty sure those are the pickups that he ordered with it. I'll see him later this week to verify. Truth. All N4's and N7's are "Custom Shop", as they, and the Paul Stanley/Stu Hamm sigs are among the only guitars that are teambuilt in Chicago at the Custom Shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Murdoch Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 Also, I'm glad you said that the joint on the Stephens is a little raised, and it's just how they are, because I didn't know that. I would have been all ffuuuuuuu when the N24 got here and thought something was wrong with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundgardener75 Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 Why is the OFR black? Aren't the ones on the N4 always chromed? $700 or $800 max bro, and like mentioned, these aren't the stock pickups anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Whirlwind Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 that thing almost looks like it's been sanded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ledvedder Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 It looks to be an N3 with pickup rings added. http://forums.washburn.com/index.php?topic=19225.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members peavey_impact Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 Originally Posted by ledvedder It looks to be an N3 with pickup rings added. http://forums.washburn.com/index.php?topic=19225.0 Now that you menion it, the neck pickup ring looks kinda effed up in OP's pic.But if it's really from 1991 it definitely ain't no N3. If the Stephens extended cutaway logo says pat pending, instead of listing pat numbers, then it is a real 91 (or at least the neck is) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ledvedder Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 I can't tell which way the lettering is on the Stephens cutaway. If you notice, it's different on the N4 and the N3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Murdoch Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 Originally Posted by peavey_impact Now that you menion it, the neck pickup ring looks kinda effed up in OP's pic.But if it's really from 1991 it definitely ain't no N3. If the Stephens extended cutaway logo says pat pending, instead of listing pat numbers, then it is a real 91 (or at least the neck is) Except the trem system in the OP is black, and it's chromed on the N3 listed in that link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members peavey_impact Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 Originally Posted by Murdoch Except the trem system in the OP is black, and it's chromed on the N3 listed in that link. Yeah I wasn't assuming the guitar in the OP and the guitar in ledvedder's link were the same exact guitar, just that it kinda does look like the neck pickup ring in the OP's pic is kinda ghey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ledvedder Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 I went through this a few years back, when I was searching for an N4. Apparently, there's a lot of counterfeit N4's out there. I actually ended up getting an N3 for about $400. I put a 59 in the neck, a Bill Lawrence in the bridge, and upgraded the Floyd Rose. Man, I loved that guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Murdoch Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 Originally Posted by peavey_impact Yeah I wasn't assuming the guitar in the OP and the guitar in ledvedder's link were the same exact guitar, just that it kinda does look like the neck pickup ring in the OP's pic is kinda ghey Yeah, they do. I mean, that's pretty much a straight on shot down the middle of the guitar. Look close at the edge of the pickup rings on the left side of the pic. They don't look like they line up to me. Not only that, but the neck pickup ring...is it just me, or does it seem angled, like it wasn't mounted on straight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members peavey_impact Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 Originally Posted by Murdoch Not only that, but the neck pickup ring...is it just me, or does it seem angled, like it wasn't mounted on straight? Yeah, the neck pickup ring looks like it's slightly angled and a bit of the route is peeking out on the bottom left side.There's no way I'd buy that guitar without checking it out in person first. Seems iffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundgardener75 Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 NaturalBornBoy should chime in any second. I thought the N3 was a limited run with a maple fretboard??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ledvedder Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 Originally Posted by soundgardener75 NaturalBornBoy should chime in any second.I thought the N3 was a limited run with a maple fretboard??? I think it's Rosewood, instead of Ebony on the N4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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