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  • Quote Originally Posted by Mesa4x12er2
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    1.) The list is obviously meant to take advantage of the current stigma and fear out there that gun owners are all dangerous. In that sense putting them out there (as they do sex offenders) only serves to create more fear and reinforce the negativity going around. We list sex offenders as they have proven they are dangerous. Gun owners that abuse it are in jail and/or no longer have permits so they wouldn't be in that group. Even creating a list saying you need to know who the gun owners are implies there is something wrong with gun owners as you need to be aware of them. Vilifying law abiding citizens is bull****************. This article was clearly not mentioned for any other reason but to stir ****************.



    2.) No it doesn't give a detailed inventory but it will cause problems. If I was a thief, and had that map, and needed a gun I would case a house for a bit so I know when people leave. Then I would hit it. New Yorkers have a hard ass time getting carry permits so unless the owner is breaking the law chances are that the gun is at the house. No owner home and I know a gun is there... DING DING DING. Here we are talking about guns getting into the wrong hands and we're taking a lot of the risk out of the game for the would be thieves and telling them right where to go. On the flip side I would most definitely hit houses without gun owners before robbing a place. Yes they might still have a shotgun or rifle but people that would go the extra step of securing a permit etc seem like a lot more of an inherent threat than someone that doesn't.



    3.) It's totally possible and given the number of people on the list it is likely that someone, whether a cop or otherwise, is less secure now that their name is out there as opposed to it not being out there. A lot of your info is public. Doesn't mean you want it on a billboard as most public information still requires requests. Very few things available at the click of a mouse.



    So let's recap. Vilify law-abiding citizens that went out of their way to secure a permit as opposed to just having an unregistered gun. CHECK. Let people know where they can find a gun and also let people know who is likely to be unarmed and vulnerable. CHECK. Possibly put a spotlight on someone that needs to stay in the background, CHECK.




    Do you have a problem with how the general population views handgun owners? It's really only as vilified as people take it. Most people view sex offenders in a negative light. Do you feel most of the people in the us look down on you for owning a handgun?



    I see it as informational and not a topic to pass judgment on someone. Really, it's hardly even informational so as Billy said I think it's kind of dumb to publish. Not because it's good or bad. Just a waste of time like it was a slow news day type of thing.

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    • Quote Originally Posted by marshallnoise
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      Because I believe in liberty and freedom for everyone, I now am called a freak and a loner.




      It doesn't matter what they call you because you are actually a friend with one of the mods.
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      • Quote Originally Posted by Goop
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        It doesn't matter what they call you because you are actually a friend with one of the mods.




        Who? Sixtonoize? LOL! I am pretty sure he doesn't care for me very much. See free commerce allows people to trade, regardless of how someone feels about another person, when they have something that someone else wants.



        I have no mods that give me special favor on HCAF, or anywhere for that matter.
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        • Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy
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          Do you have a problem with how the general population views handgun owners? It's really only as vilified as people take it. Most people view sex offenders in a negative light. Do you feel most of the people in the us look down on you for owning a handgun?



          I see it as informational and not a topic to pass judgment on someone. Really, it's hardly even informational so as Billy said I think it's kind of dumb to publish. Not because it's good or bad. Just a waste of time like it was a slow news day type of thing.




          You are blind as a bat if you believe that.
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          • Quote Originally Posted by Mesa4x12er2
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            I actually like both of you, Ron and Marshall. I will lovingly home invade your anuses if you don't stop though.




            Please, before you do, kiss me on the neck at least.
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            • Quote Originally Posted by marshallnoise
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              I am confessing to being a pedophile




              Erm, ok. I thought you were just a gun nut, but whatever.
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              • Quote Originally Posted by marshallnoise
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                What the hell? How have you come to any of those conclusions?




                It really is ok to step back and take a deep breath. I'm not advocating the removal of guns you may or may not own.



                I'm for closing loopholes and bringing gun ownership above the table. it's your right to own guns, I personally am not arguing against that. I don't understand why they can't be regulated like automobiles or anything else the government decides could be dangerous in the wrong hands.







                Fwiw the reason I don't think you're quite right is you made a comparison between this thread and a simple friendly whatcha drinking thread. That's pretty far fetched and something a person with undiagnosed mental disease would make.

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                • Quote Originally Posted by marshallnoise
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                  You are blind as a bat if you believe that.




                  Huh?





                  Was it made by someone with an agenda? Yes. No denying that.



                  I just feel the offending reporter had too much free time and due to not enough real news it was allowed to be published.





                  It wasted my time to view it. It didn't offend me or make me look at anyone else different. It gave me the same feeling as an a book listing people's name and addresses. Ie there is a reason I don't read the phone book.

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                  • Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy
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                    Do you have a problem with how the general population views handgun owners? It's really only as vilified as people take it. Most people view sex offenders in a negative light. Do you feel most of the people in the us look down on you for owning a handgun?



                    I see it as informational and not a topic to pass judgment on someone. Really, it's hardly even informational so as Billy said I think it's kind of dumb to publish. Not because it's good or bad. Just a waste of time like it was a slow news day type of thing.




                    General population, no. However, these recent threads even here have proven that a lot of people do have a problem with it. Recent events have scared people and a lot of places have started up the propaganda bandwagon hoping to specifically show us in a bad light as if we're all a ticking timebomb like little ****************head that killed those kids. Regardless of which side of the issue you are on I know you can see this.



                    Knowing some chick has herpes is informational as well but people would think that was a violation of privacy. Why do we feel it necessary to keep medical records private? Why should I not be able to see what you have in your bank account? At the end of the day it would all just be informational.
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                    • Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy
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                      It really is ok to step back and take a deep breath. I'm not advocating the removal of guns you may or may not own.



                      I'm for closing loopholes and bringing gun ownership above the table. it's your right to own guns, I personally am not arguing against that. I don't understand why they can't be regulated like automobiles or anything else the government decides could be dangerous in the wrong hands.







                      Fwiw the reason I don't think you're quite right is you made a comparison between this thread and a simple friendly whatcha drinking thread. That's pretty far fetched and something a person with undiagnosed mental disease would make.




                      Car registration has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with $. BTW I'm down with them closing the loophole. I'd also totally be down with registration if there was no risk of it ever being used for confiscation. Some states are already talking about implementing forced buy backs. Why would any owner want their **************** on a list if these are the lists they'll be using to strip you of them?
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                      • Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy
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                        Huh?





                        Was it made by someone with an agenda? Yes. No denying that.



                        I just feel the offending reporter had too much free time and due to not enough real news it was allowed to be published.





                        It wasted my time to view it. It didn't offend me or make me look at anyone else different. It gave me the same feeling as an a book listing people's name and addresses. Ie there is a reason I don't read the phone book.




                        I don't think it was because of too much free time. They were making a point just like Huffingtonpost and their showing every murder in the country on the front page one after another. That's not for the purpose of keeping the masses informed of the news. It's to pile all the bad **************** into one place to overwhelm and jade people.
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                        • Because my bank account and home girls herp don't have the potential to kill anyone. Guns, like automobiles, can kill people without the victims participation.

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                          • Quote Originally Posted by Mesa4x12er2
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                            Car registration has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with $. BTW I'm down with them closing the loophole. I'd also totally be down with registration if there was no risk of it ever being used for confiscation. Some states are already talking about implementing forced buy backs. Why would any owner want their **************** on a list if these are the lists they'll be using to strip you of them?






                            See, we agree then. Confiscation? No bueno. A list to hold people accountable? Yessir.





                            If gun registration lead to confiscation I will be right there with you. Seriously.





                            What I've been fighting for all along is keeping gun ownership above the table. Nothing more, nothing less.

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                            • Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy
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                              Because my bank account and home girls herp don't have the potential to kill anyone. Guns, like automobiles, can kill people without the victims participation.




                              Guns and cars don't kill people. People do. I know you are smarter than that.
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                              • Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy
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                                It really is ok to step back and take a deep breath. I'm not advocating the removal of guns you may or may not own.




                                That the first thing the gov't says, before it takes something. Just like eminent domain.











                                Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy
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                                I'm for closing loopholes and bringing gun ownership above the table. it's your right to own guns, I personally am not arguing against that. I don't understand why they can't be regulated like automobiles or anything else the government decides could be dangerous in the wrong hands.




                                Regulation, is the first step towards the ultimate goal of the anit-gun lobby. Which is criminalization and confiscation.
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