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  • #46
    Most anti free will arguments stem about intellectual justification for bad behaviour.



    I'd explain further but I suspect the attention span on this forum is about as long as it takes to hold ones breath after a bong hit.
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    • #47
      Most anti free will arguments stem about intellectual justification for bad behaviour.



      I'd explain further but I suspect the attention span on this forum is about as long as it takes to hold ones breath after a bong hit.
      http://sites.google.com/site/bizflyer/

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      • #48






        Quote Originally Posted by Sillypeoples
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        Most anti free will arguments stem about intellectual justification for bad behaviour.



        I'd explain further but I suspect the attention span on this forum is about as long as it takes to hold ones breath after a bong hit.




        Doesn't really require further explanation, anybody with a shred of intelligence could see that.
        Originally Posted by Jesse G


        EMG's are like McDonald's cheeseburgers of the pickup world

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        • #49






          Quote Originally Posted by Sillypeoples
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          Most anti free will arguments stem about intellectual justification for bad behaviour.



          I'd explain further but I suspect the attention span on this forum is about as long as it takes to hold ones breath after a bong hit.




          Doesn't really require further explanation, anybody with a shred of intelligence could see that.
          Originally Posted by Jesse G


          EMG's are like McDonald's cheeseburgers of the pickup world

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          • #50






            Quote Originally Posted by ComOp
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            If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.







            Beat me to it!!!
            gear:
            2011 Gibson Les Paul Alex Lifeson Axcess
            2008 Gibson Custom Shop Alex Lifeson ES-355
            1984 Charvel Custom San Dimas w/ kahler
            1998 PRS Custom 22 hardtail
            1980 Gibson Howard Roberts Fusion
            1989 Signature Odyssey w/ floyd rose
            Mesa Boogie Mark IV B medium head
            Gallien Kreuger 250ML
            Marshall 1960A 4x12







            Originally Posted by Hurtzher


            Dagone! After looking at your sig, I would say that you win when it comes to most guitars like Big Al.
            I kinda hate you for having a Signature Odyssey!

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            • #51






              Quote Originally Posted by ComOp
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              If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.







              Beat me to it!!!
              gear:
              2011 Gibson Les Paul Alex Lifeson Axcess
              2008 Gibson Custom Shop Alex Lifeson ES-355
              1984 Charvel Custom San Dimas w/ kahler
              1998 PRS Custom 22 hardtail
              1980 Gibson Howard Roberts Fusion
              1989 Signature Odyssey w/ floyd rose
              Mesa Boogie Mark IV B medium head
              Gallien Kreuger 250ML
              Marshall 1960A 4x12







              Originally Posted by Hurtzher


              Dagone! After looking at your sig, I would say that you win when it comes to most guitars like Big Al.
              I kinda hate you for having a Signature Odyssey!

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              • #52
                Heisenberg says no to a clockwork universe. You can know the position of a particle, or you can know it's velocity, but you can't know both.

                That being said, there is a show called "Closer To Truth", in which psychological experiments are discussed that electrical changes associated with decision-making were taking place in the brain *before* the subject made the decision.

                Fascinating, Captain.

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                • #53
                  Heisenberg says no to a clockwork universe. You can know the position of a particle, or you can know it's velocity, but you can't know both.

                  That being said, there is a show called "Closer To Truth", in which psychological experiments are discussed that electrical changes associated with decision-making were taking place in the brain *before* the subject made the decision.

                  Fascinating, Captain.

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                  • #54
                    Free will is conditional.. We are all bound to culture, biology, and natural law.. We are slaves to these things.. Unconditional free will (true free will) is not possible for a transient being in the first place...
                    HCAF Public Enemy #1
                    VHT Pittbull CLX
                    VHT Fat Bottom 4x12
                    Jackson Soloist SL2H
                    Jackson DKMG EMG 81/85 18v







                    Originally Posted by nedezero


                    You realize under Sharia law, she'll be required to get a circumcision.

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                    • #55
                      Free will is conditional.. We are all bound to culture, biology, and natural law.. We are slaves to these things.. Unconditional free will (true free will) is not possible for a transient being in the first place...
                      HCAF Public Enemy #1
                      VHT Pittbull CLX
                      VHT Fat Bottom 4x12
                      Jackson Soloist SL2H
                      Jackson DKMG EMG 81/85 18v







                      Originally Posted by nedezero


                      You realize under Sharia law, she'll be required to get a circumcision.

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                      • #56
                        Cogito ergo sum.





                        or as I prefer...





                        Cogito ergo zoom.











                        It's all we really have to go on.
                        Gibson Ibanez Diezel / Fender / Dan Hall






                        Originally Posted by Sixtonoize


                        This.

                        I couldn't have said it better.









                        Originally Posted by K-Bizzle


                        Yeah I'm with Abstract here...









                        Originally Posted by Bob Savage


                        I like your style, and attention to reason.









                        Originally Posted by TornadoOfSouls


                        Just don't buy it from Dewy / Musicians Friend.









                        Originally Posted by justcrash


                        Winner winner, chicken dinner!



                        Great deals with: MHenson, Honkridge, Ledvedder, Rik-Guitarstudi, ***1776***, shane159, chriscnb, LA-Ü-RA, LoopQuantum, exafro, Silvervox325, EdgeOfDarkness, Ricky Bobby, Valtiel, Fretless, 100 watt...

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                        • #57
                          Cogito ergo sum.





                          or as I prefer...





                          Cogito ergo zoom.











                          It's all we really have to go on.
                          Gibson Ibanez Diezel / Fender / Dan Hall






                          Originally Posted by Sixtonoize


                          This.

                          I couldn't have said it better.









                          Originally Posted by K-Bizzle


                          Yeah I'm with Abstract here...









                          Originally Posted by Bob Savage


                          I like your style, and attention to reason.









                          Originally Posted by TornadoOfSouls


                          Just don't buy it from Dewy / Musicians Friend.









                          Originally Posted by justcrash


                          Winner winner, chicken dinner!



                          Great deals with: MHenson, Honkridge, Ledvedder, Rik-Guitarstudi, ***1776***, shane159, chriscnb, LA-Ü-RA, LoopQuantum, exafro, Silvervox325, EdgeOfDarkness, Ricky Bobby, Valtiel, Fretless, 100 watt...

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                          • #58






                            Quote Originally Posted by evets618
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                            Heisenberg says no to a clockwork universe. You can know the position of a particle, or you can know it's velocity, but you can't know both.

                            That being said, there is a show called "Closer To Truth", in which psychological experiments are discussed that electrical changes associated with decision-making were taking place in the brain *before* the subject made the decision.

                            Fascinating, Captain.




                            You can know both to a inversely proportional degree. You cannot know both with precision though. That is Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. That alone doesn't necessarily negate to possibly of unconditional freewill. The universe itself and all of the laws that allow it's existence do.
                            HCAF Public Enemy #1
                            VHT Pittbull CLX
                            VHT Fat Bottom 4x12
                            Jackson Soloist SL2H
                            Jackson DKMG EMG 81/85 18v







                            Originally Posted by nedezero


                            You realize under Sharia law, she'll be required to get a circumcision.

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                            • #59






                              Quote Originally Posted by evets618
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                              Heisenberg says no to a clockwork universe. You can know the position of a particle, or you can know it's velocity, but you can't know both.

                              That being said, there is a show called "Closer To Truth", in which psychological experiments are discussed that electrical changes associated with decision-making were taking place in the brain *before* the subject made the decision.

                              Fascinating, Captain.




                              You can know both to a inversely proportional degree. You cannot know both with precision though. That is Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. That alone doesn't necessarily negate to possibly of unconditional freewill. The universe itself and all of the laws that allow it's existence do.
                              HCAF Public Enemy #1
                              VHT Pittbull CLX
                              VHT Fat Bottom 4x12
                              Jackson Soloist SL2H
                              Jackson DKMG EMG 81/85 18v







                              Originally Posted by nedezero


                              You realize under Sharia law, she'll be required to get a circumcision.

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                              • #60
                                I've been in the "free will is an illusion" camp for a while. Classical physics does indeed indicate that all events are caused in a deterministic manner. Free will would require that our brains, which are physical objects, somehow be able to step outside of this deterministic system, but there's no justification for that notion. Quantum physics, if it does change any of this, simply tells us that events at the sub-atomic level are probablistic. I don't see how replacing A causes B with A causes B through Z with determinable probablilities really makes free will any more tenable.
                                When someone asks if you are a god, you say yes!

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