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    what do you guys do when you write a really catchy riff but you cant take it anywhere or create other sections that go with it to actually make a song?



    i have this riff that i cant get out of my head that for the life of me i cant turn it into a full song. so far i have played it on acoustic and electric for close to 3 weeks now and in front of 2 seperate groups of musicians and am still stuck on where to take it. usually the more i play it and hear it back that helps and it starts to evolve into a song but those methods are not working on this one.





    any ideas? i plan to record a rough idea of it at lunch and post it here if anyone wants to try to help out.



    thanks,



    bill
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  • #2
    use one riff for the song.



    It worked for:



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    Lou Reed - Heroin

    The Doors - The End
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    • #3
      use one riff for the song.



      It worked for:



      Fleetwood Mack - Dreamz

      Lou Reed - Heroin

      The Doors - The End
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      • #4
        Don't try to write a song around the riffs, just write songs and eventually you'll have an idea that one of your riffs compliments.
        Originally Posted by telephant


        Tone is really half the argument. We both know ultimately it means nothing. Write a song. Write. A ****************ing. Song.



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        • #5
          Don't try to write a song around the riffs, just write songs and eventually you'll have an idea that one of your riffs compliments.
          Originally Posted by telephant


          Tone is really half the argument. We both know ultimately it means nothing. Write a song. Write. A ****************ing. Song.



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          • #6
            just buy more fx. It's all about textures.



            nobody cares about the song, unless it's Morrissey.
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            • #7
              just buy more fx. It's all about textures.



              nobody cares about the song, unless it's Morrissey.
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              • #8






                Quote Originally Posted by sleewell
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                what do you guys do when you write a really catchy riff but you cant take it anywhere or create other sections that go with it to actually make a song?



                i have this riff that i cant get out of my head that for the life of me i cant turn it into a full song. so far i have played it on acoustic and electric for close to 3 weeks now and in front of 2 seperate groups of musicians and am still stuck on where to take it. usually the more i play it and hear it back that helps and it starts to evolve into a song but those methods are not working on this one.





                any ideas? i plan to record a rough idea of it at lunch and post it here if anyone wants to try to help out.



                thanks,



                bill




                Use the same riff for the verse, just drop the guitar and have the bassist play it in the verse section, and change up the drums.





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                • #9






                  Quote Originally Posted by sleewell
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                  what do you guys do when you write a really catchy riff but you cant take it anywhere or create other sections that go with it to actually make a song?



                  i have this riff that i cant get out of my head that for the life of me i cant turn it into a full song. so far i have played it on acoustic and electric for close to 3 weeks now and in front of 2 seperate groups of musicians and am still stuck on where to take it. usually the more i play it and hear it back that helps and it starts to evolve into a song but those methods are not working on this one.





                  any ideas? i plan to record a rough idea of it at lunch and post it here if anyone wants to try to help out.



                  thanks,



                  bill




                  Use the same riff for the verse, just drop the guitar and have the bassist play it in the verse section, and change up the drums.





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                  • #10
                    you could also play the riff backwards during the verse, or play it in a major key.



                    something gimmicky or stupid would be a good idea.



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                    • #11
                      you could also play the riff backwards during the verse, or play it in a major key.



                      something gimmicky or stupid would be a good idea.



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                      • #12
                        good ideas all, thanks. this one doesnt have fx yet but i will add all the effects i have at the same time, lol





                        i like what Loop said, that would most likely work for now and keep it basic however when i play it its like i feel a 2nd part coming and starting to happen but then every combination of things i try sounds like its forced and doesnt fit but its frusterating bc i know something should happen.



                        thread is worthless with out the riff, sorry, i will post it up in a few hours.
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                        • #13
                          good ideas all, thanks. this one doesnt have fx yet but i will add all the effects i have at the same time, lol





                          i like what Loop said, that would most likely work for now and keep it basic however when i play it its like i feel a 2nd part coming and starting to happen but then every combination of things i try sounds like its forced and doesnt fit but its frusterating bc i know something should happen.



                          thread is worthless with out the riff, sorry, i will post it up in a few hours.
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                          fender blues deluxe > whitebox 212

                          Good Transactions: Dehumanize, Jimosity, Panther King, Vangkm, Ejendres, Killindux, Colejustesen, SDMFVan, twisty571, dolf

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                          • #14
                            I have several riffs like that, and they've been around for decades. I have written many other riffs since that combined into songs much quicker, and still I have those other riffs around. Fun fact: the one riff that started me off on my recently finished deathmetal project never actually made it into the project ;-).



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                            • #15
                              I have several riffs like that, and they've been around for decades. I have written many other riffs since that combined into songs much quicker, and still I have those other riffs around. Fun fact: the one riff that started me off on my recently finished deathmetal project never actually made it into the project ;-).



                              Just write more.
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