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Simple question for atheists & believers alike concerning morality

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  • Simple question for atheists & believers alike concerning morality

    So for a while now, one of the main reasons I have always held faith in a higher being is that I cannot bring myself to accept that life without any manner of absolute morality would be possible. What I mean by this is, aside from any manner of society or coexistence with other beings abiding by some form of shared moral boundaries, in order to truly believe that this life is without any absolute form of moral measure - I would have to presume that I could just as easily open a can of soda and drink it as I could take hold of one of my children (or any person for that matter) and violently murder them and have no conscience distinction between the two beyond what I deem appropriate.



    Again, I am not presuming morality is not possible absent a higher power; I am simply asking why this wouldnt be possible if you truly believed in no other higher form of morality beyond what you deem for yourself?



    If "right and wrong" are subjective to a moral measure, then we must cede that absent any absolute measure, any action we take could and should be deemed permissible according to each individual point of view. Thus, something as common as consuming some manner of food or drink is equal to taking action that would cause harm to another person.

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    law and morality came long before whatever belief you hold.



    our "law" is more of a bastardized over-regulated (and necessarily so) set of doctrines that have come from very primitive "Mala en se" offenses, which basically means universally condemned.



    Never understood people who need religion to make sense of morality.
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    • #3
      law and morality came long before whatever belief you hold.



      our "law" is more of a bastardized over-regulated (and necessarily so) set of doctrines that have come from very primitive "Mala en se" offenses, which basically means universally condemned.



      Never understood people who need religion to make sense of morality.
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      • #4
        Did you even read the OP, assy? I dont think you did

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        • #5
          Did you even read the OP, assy? I dont think you did

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            Quote Originally Posted by LynchProtoge
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            Did you even read the OP, assy? I dont think you did




            i tried but I never really found a question or statement so I improvised.
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              Quote Originally Posted by LynchProtoge
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              Did you even read the OP, assy? I dont think you did




              i tried but I never really found a question or statement so I improvised.
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              • #8
                sorry - edited!



                please take the time to read & respond accordingly, or not at all

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                • #9
                  sorry - edited!



                  please take the time to read & respond accordingly, or not at all

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                  • #10
                    If I follow you (not sure that I do), you're basically asking if there is morality in a vacuum. Outside of any societal structure and if morality isn't handed down from above, is there any difference between drinking water or eating a baby (borrowing your example)?



                    Is that more or less what you're asking?
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                      If I follow you (not sure that I do), you're basically asking if there is morality in a vacuum. Outside of any societal structure and if morality isn't handed down from above, is there any difference between drinking water or eating a baby (borrowing your example)?



                      Is that more or less what you're asking?
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                      <img src="images/misc/quote_icon.png" alt="Quote" /> Originally Posted by <strong>BrendanO</strong>
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                      • #12
                        Gibberish.

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                        • #13
                          Gibberish.

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                          • #14
                            Altruistic behavior is a result of evolution. Animal populations are more successful when they cooperate rather than fight each other. Pretty simple to understand. Being nice gets you more women and thus better chance at reproducing.
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                              Altruistic behavior is a result of evolution. Animal populations are more successful when they cooperate rather than fight each other. Pretty simple to understand. Being nice gets you more women and thus better chance at reproducing.
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