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  • Magnet swapping , how do they work ?

    ever do a JB ?
    "Our virtues and our failings are inseparable, like force and matter. When they separate, man is no more."
    Nikola Tesla

  • #2
    Might want to check the Seymour Duncan forum. Those guys seem to do that sort of thing quite often going from ceramic into all the different flavors of AlNiCo and even using UnOriented AlNiCo 8 magnets.



    I've opened a few humbuckers so that should tell you that it's NOT difficult. Access to the magnet is right there. The only real delicate part is removing/replacing the magnet. The MOST important part is getting the CORRECT size of replacement magnet. 1/2 mm off and it won't fit.



    If you're going to use a regular oriented magnet as a replacement it would be good to have a compass handy or some other device so you'll be able to tell the orientation of the magnet (north or south) then mark the magnet and install it in the correct orientation.



    A JB or Super Distortion, Evolution, PAF or any other type of humbucker is really no different. They will all come apart and go back together basically the same way. The only real differences are the size/type of magnet and the number of winds of the copper wire around the magnet.. These are the things that do most to alter the sounds of the pickups. Futzing around with the type of materials in the pole pieces, their length, their diameter, gauge of wire, whether you pot the pickup or nut, whether you use a steel or nickel cover or even no cover on the pickup will all have an effect on the final output tone of the pickup but none so much as the type of magnet and the number winds of wire around the magnet and pole pieces.



    You might want to experiment on some cheap or crappy pickups first before you go screwing up a JB
    Gear:
    Gibson LP Special DC/ Epi LP Special DC/ 78 Hamer Sunburst
    Washburn WI64DL/ Epi Flying V/Kramer Striker
    '77 Electra X410 Super Jazz (Matsumoku 335 style)
    '78 Fender Twin Reverb'87 Fender "Evil Twin"
    Bugera Vintage 22
    Vox ToneLab LE/MXR 10 Band EQ/Bad Horsie

    Good deals with: lowellintn , brian_ward, JoshuaTSP, michaellambson, Mark Cearlock, zepsongs, stratguy23, sir punk
    _____________________

    I came to HC for the guitars and amps but stuck around for the crazy!

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    • #3
      Might want to check the Seymour Duncan forum. Those guys seem to do that sort of thing quite often going from ceramic into all the different flavors of AlNiCo and even using UnOriented AlNiCo 8 magnets.



      I've opened a few humbuckers so that should tell you that it's NOT difficult. Access to the magnet is right there. The only real delicate part is removing/replacing the magnet. The MOST important part is getting the CORRECT size of replacement magnet. 1/2 mm off and it won't fit.



      If you're going to use a regular oriented magnet as a replacement it would be good to have a compass handy or some other device so you'll be able to tell the orientation of the magnet (north or south) then mark the magnet and install it in the correct orientation.



      A JB or Super Distortion, Evolution, PAF or any other type of humbucker is really no different. They will all come apart and go back together basically the same way. The only real differences are the size/type of magnet and the number of winds of the copper wire around the magnet.. These are the things that do most to alter the sounds of the pickups. Futzing around with the type of materials in the pole pieces, their length, their diameter, gauge of wire, whether you pot the pickup or nut, whether you use a steel or nickel cover or even no cover on the pickup will all have an effect on the final output tone of the pickup but none so much as the type of magnet and the number winds of wire around the magnet and pole pieces.



      You might want to experiment on some cheap or crappy pickups first before you go screwing up a JB
      Gear:
      Gibson LP Special DC/ Epi LP Special DC/ 78 Hamer Sunburst
      Washburn WI64DL/ Epi Flying V/Kramer Striker
      '77 Electra X410 Super Jazz (Matsumoku 335 style)
      '78 Fender Twin Reverb'87 Fender "Evil Twin"
      Bugera Vintage 22
      Vox ToneLab LE/MXR 10 Band EQ/Bad Horsie

      Good deals with: lowellintn , brian_ward, JoshuaTSP, michaellambson, Mark Cearlock, zepsongs, stratguy23, sir punk
      _____________________

      I came to HC for the guitars and amps but stuck around for the crazy!

      Comment


      • #4
        Magswapping is great. I have a JB with alnico 8 in a spare pickguard for my strat. It sounds thick, and meaty, and has an impact like a sledgehammer. I also swapped the ceramic in my Duncan custom for an alnico 4 to get more of a vintage tone.



        Here's a basic rundown of the most popular magnets:



        Alnico 2 - LOTS of mids. subdued lows and highs. Lows are loose and highs are smooth. Very chewy sounding, and mid to low output. Great for EVH tones.

        Alnico 3 - More highs than A2, less mids. Low output. Good for brightening up a neck position. Joe Bonamassa uses an A3 in his Seymour Duncan signature bridge pickup, and an A2 in the neck model.

        Alnico 4 - Kind of a flat EQ. loose-ish bass, but not as loose as A2. Smooth highs, and mids that are there but aren't overbearing. Great note attack. mid output. Some say it's sterile sounding, but that's because it doesn't accentuate any particular frequencies unlike most other magnets. It does allow the guitar's natural voice to come through though. Good for bridge or neck position when you want a balanced EQ.

        Alnico 5 - Lots of lows, scooped mids, and sharp highs. Mid to high output. Lacks the sag/chewiness of A2, 3 and 4. Pretty much the most widely used Alnico magnet, but it's one of my least favourites because of the mid scoop.

        Unoriented Alnico 5 - Sort of a half-way point between A5 and A2. It's slightly lower output than a regular A5, but has more mids, sweeter sounding highs and more controlled bass. I find it still lacks a bit of the chewiness though. A good alternative to A4, or A2 even, when you want a vintage sound with slightly more power.

        Alnico 8 - High output, comparable to ceramic. Tight lows, big beefy low-mids, slight spike in the upper mids that adds definition, and smooth highs. Makes a fantastically balanced magnet for bridge position for rock/hard rock/metal applications, and can really roar, but it can also clean up really nicely and still has a lot of the warmth and soul characteristic of Alnico mags. Not much chewiness though.

        Ceramic - High output. Kinda flat EQ, but I find the bass often a bit boomy and the highs a bit harsh. Good note attack, and can be tight with the right wind. Kinda sterile cleans, but again....the pickup wind can make or break this magnet.

        Double-thick Ceramic - Ceramic on steroids. slightly higher output.





        Also, here's a video I made on how to swap mags.






        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXbzqQZu-Qk
        My Rig:
        #1: Jolly Roger Cutlasscaster (Duncan Custom 4/Lil '59)
        #2: Fender MIJ '62RI Strat (Rose BuffBeauty/Robusta/Robusta)
        #3: Ibanez SAS32 (X2N/PAF Pro)
        AudioTechnica Wireless, Boss NS-2, Korg Pitchblack, Boss GE-7, Dunlop Crybaby, Fulltone OCD, TC Nova repeater
        Jet City JCA100H
        Sunn 4x12 (G12-65s/Retro30s)

        Proud Member of the Jet Setters (Jet City Lounge)

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        • #5
          Magswapping is great. I have a JB with alnico 8 in a spare pickguard for my strat. It sounds thick, and meaty, and has an impact like a sledgehammer. I also swapped the ceramic in my Duncan custom for an alnico 4 to get more of a vintage tone.



          Here's a basic rundown of the most popular magnets:



          Alnico 2 - LOTS of mids. subdued lows and highs. Lows are loose and highs are smooth. Very chewy sounding, and mid to low output. Great for EVH tones.

          Alnico 3 - More highs than A2, less mids. Low output. Good for brightening up a neck position. Joe Bonamassa uses an A3 in his Seymour Duncan signature bridge pickup, and an A2 in the neck model.

          Alnico 4 - Kind of a flat EQ. loose-ish bass, but not as loose as A2. Smooth highs, and mids that are there but aren't overbearing. Great note attack. mid output. Some say it's sterile sounding, but that's because it doesn't accentuate any particular frequencies unlike most other magnets. It does allow the guitar's natural voice to come through though. Good for bridge or neck position when you want a balanced EQ.

          Alnico 5 - Lots of lows, scooped mids, and sharp highs. Mid to high output. Lacks the sag/chewiness of A2, 3 and 4. Pretty much the most widely used Alnico magnet, but it's one of my least favourites because of the mid scoop.

          Unoriented Alnico 5 - Sort of a half-way point between A5 and A2. It's slightly lower output than a regular A5, but has more mids, sweeter sounding highs and more controlled bass. I find it still lacks a bit of the chewiness though. A good alternative to A4, or A2 even, when you want a vintage sound with slightly more power.

          Alnico 8 - High output, comparable to ceramic. Tight lows, big beefy low-mids, slight spike in the upper mids that adds definition, and smooth highs. Makes a fantastically balanced magnet for bridge position for rock/hard rock/metal applications, and can really roar, but it can also clean up really nicely and still has a lot of the warmth and soul characteristic of Alnico mags. Not much chewiness though.

          Ceramic - High output. Kinda flat EQ, but I find the bass often a bit boomy and the highs a bit harsh. Good note attack, and can be tight with the right wind. Kinda sterile cleans, but again....the pickup wind can make or break this magnet.

          Double-thick Ceramic - Ceramic on steroids. slightly higher output.





          Also, here's a video I made on how to swap mags.







          My Rig:
          #1: Jolly Roger Cutlasscaster (Duncan Custom 4/Lil '59)
          #2: Fender MIJ '62RI Strat (Rose BuffBeauty/Robusta/Robusta)
          #3: Ibanez SAS32 (X2N/PAF Pro)
          AudioTechnica Wireless, Boss NS-2, Korg Pitchblack, Boss GE-7, Dunlop Crybaby, Fulltone OCD, TC Nova repeater
          Jet City JCA100H
          Sunn 4x12 (G12-65s/Retro30s)

          Proud Member of the Jet Setters (Jet City Lounge)

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          • #6
            Very Helpful Fellas ! Thanks , Is there a particular size that is easy to find for the JB ? Also is there just one magnet in it ? Lastly , ever swap in a A2 . Cheers m/
            "Our virtues and our failings are inseparable, like force and matter. When they separate, man is no more."
            Nikola Tesla

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            • #7
              Very Helpful Fellas ! Thanks , Is there a particular size that is easy to find for the JB ? Also is there just one magnet in it ? Lastly , ever swap in a A2 . Cheers m/
              "Our virtues and our failings are inseparable, like force and matter. When they separate, man is no more."
              Nikola Tesla

              Comment


              • #8
                Seymour duncan uses standard humbucker mags: 2.5"x0.5"x0.125"



                Yeah it's just one magnet.



                I personally haven't used a JB2, but a lot of dudes on the Duncan forum have with great results.
                My Rig:
                #1: Jolly Roger Cutlasscaster (Duncan Custom 4/Lil '59)
                #2: Fender MIJ '62RI Strat (Rose BuffBeauty/Robusta/Robusta)
                #3: Ibanez SAS32 (X2N/PAF Pro)
                AudioTechnica Wireless, Boss NS-2, Korg Pitchblack, Boss GE-7, Dunlop Crybaby, Fulltone OCD, TC Nova repeater
                Jet City JCA100H
                Sunn 4x12 (G12-65s/Retro30s)

                Proud Member of the Jet Setters (Jet City Lounge)

                Comment


                • #9
                  Seymour duncan uses standard humbucker mags: 2.5"x0.5"x0.125"



                  Yeah it's just one magnet.



                  I personally haven't used a JB2, but a lot of dudes on the Duncan forum have with great results.
                  My Rig:
                  #1: Jolly Roger Cutlasscaster (Duncan Custom 4/Lil '59)
                  #2: Fender MIJ '62RI Strat (Rose BuffBeauty/Robusta/Robusta)
                  #3: Ibanez SAS32 (X2N/PAF Pro)
                  AudioTechnica Wireless, Boss NS-2, Korg Pitchblack, Boss GE-7, Dunlop Crybaby, Fulltone OCD, TC Nova repeater
                  Jet City JCA100H
                  Sunn 4x12 (G12-65s/Retro30s)

                  Proud Member of the Jet Setters (Jet City Lounge)

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    double poast
                    Originally Posted by Rampage


                    **************** cleans, play distortion?









                    Originally Posted by RiffDaemon


                    The scratchy high-end sounds like a wreck in Excitebike









                    Originally Posted by buddhapaugh


                    I had a nightmare experience like yours, Nerine, when I was in my late 20's/early 30's and was doing the tag-team thing with my buddy over the toilet. Now that was something----







                    Guitars:
                    Fender-Hamer-Michael Kelly-Starfield-Ibanez


                    Amps/Cabs
                    Drive-Eminence-Electro Harmonix-Fender-Jet City-Kustom-VHT-Yamaha

                    FX
                    ISP-Keeley-Pigtronix

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      double poast
                      Originally Posted by Rampage


                      **************** cleans, play distortion?









                      Originally Posted by RiffDaemon


                      The scratchy high-end sounds like a wreck in Excitebike









                      Originally Posted by buddhapaugh


                      I had a nightmare experience like yours, Nerine, when I was in my late 20's/early 30's and was doing the tag-team thing with my buddy over the toilet. Now that was something----







                      Guitars:
                      Fender-Hamer-Michael Kelly-Starfield-Ibanez


                      Amps/Cabs
                      Drive-Eminence-Electro Harmonix-Fender-Jet City-Kustom-VHT-Yamaha

                      FX
                      ISP-Keeley-Pigtronix

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I swapped the mags (and covers) on the no name chinese P90's in my Michael Kelly Newcastle Patriot from ceramic to A2 and A5 mags.



                        It made a HUGE difference. Sooo lovely



                        I think I went A2 in the bridge and A5 in the neck, can't quite remember.
                        Originally Posted by Rampage


                        **************** cleans, play distortion?









                        Originally Posted by RiffDaemon


                        The scratchy high-end sounds like a wreck in Excitebike









                        Originally Posted by buddhapaugh


                        I had a nightmare experience like yours, Nerine, when I was in my late 20's/early 30's and was doing the tag-team thing with my buddy over the toilet. Now that was something----







                        Guitars:
                        Fender-Hamer-Michael Kelly-Starfield-Ibanez


                        Amps/Cabs
                        Drive-Eminence-Electro Harmonix-Fender-Jet City-Kustom-VHT-Yamaha

                        FX
                        ISP-Keeley-Pigtronix

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          I swapped the mags (and covers) on the no name chinese P90's in my Michael Kelly Newcastle Patriot from ceramic to A2 and A5 mags.



                          It made a HUGE difference. Sooo lovely



                          I think I went A2 in the bridge and A5 in the neck, can't quite remember.
                          Originally Posted by Rampage


                          **************** cleans, play distortion?









                          Originally Posted by RiffDaemon


                          The scratchy high-end sounds like a wreck in Excitebike









                          Originally Posted by buddhapaugh


                          I had a nightmare experience like yours, Nerine, when I was in my late 20's/early 30's and was doing the tag-team thing with my buddy over the toilet. Now that was something----







                          Guitars:
                          Fender-Hamer-Michael Kelly-Starfield-Ibanez


                          Amps/Cabs
                          Drive-Eminence-Electro Harmonix-Fender-Jet City-Kustom-VHT-Yamaha

                          FX
                          ISP-Keeley-Pigtronix

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Beauteous , Thank so much
                            "Our virtues and our failings are inseparable, like force and matter. When they separate, man is no more."
                            Nikola Tesla

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                            • #15
                              Beauteous , Thank so much
                              "Our virtues and our failings are inseparable, like force and matter. When they separate, man is no more."
                              Nikola Tesla

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