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  • Marshall vs. Fender vs. Vox

    Marshall vs. Fender vs. Vox

    Which?

    I want a vintage sound, heavy metal sound, love song sound, all in one.

    I want something that splits:
    The beatles
    Queen
    Led Zeppelin
    Deep Purple
    Santo & Johnny

    All in one.
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    <b><a href="http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_10762373" target="_blank">«Pequeña MelodÃ****a para Luisa 1»</a><br />
    <a href="http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_12302271" target="_blank">«Vals Prescindible»</a><br />
    <a href="http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_8225313" target="_blank">«Vals Imprescindible»</a><br />
    <a href="http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_4933803" target="_blank">«Vanessa Cardui» </a><br />
    <a href="http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_2921967" target="_blank">«Suave Luna Azul»</a></b><br />
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  • #2
    That's a hell of a question, and not many people here will spend the time required answering that. If you're in the market for an amp, tell us what style of music you play and what's your budget, and we will recommend an amp, that's how it usually works.

    Or are you looking for general knowledge on these amps?

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    • #3
      That's a hell of a question, and not many people here will spend the time required answering that. If you're in the market for an amp, tell us what style of music you play and what's your budget, and we will recommend an amp, that's how it usually works.

      Or are you looking for general knowledge on these amps?


      I`ve changed my "hell of question" to this....
      <div class="signaturecontainer"><div align="center"><font face="Palatino Linotype"><font size="2">My very psychedelic music:<br />
      <a href="http://www.reverbnation.com/fullmooninthehaze" target="_blank">Full Moon in the Haze</a><br />
      <b><a href="http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_10762373" target="_blank">«Pequeña MelodÃ****a para Luisa 1»</a><br />
      <a href="http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_12302271" target="_blank">«Vals Prescindible»</a><br />
      <a href="http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_8225313" target="_blank">«Vals Imprescindible»</a><br />
      <a href="http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_4933803" target="_blank">«Vanessa Cardui» </a><br />
      <a href="http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_2921967" target="_blank">«Suave Luna Azul»</a></b><br />
      <a href="http://www.free-chat.biz" target="_blank">Free-Chat.biz The best website to chat freely with people around the world!</a></font><br />
      <font size="1"><i>«...y conoceréis la verdad, y la verdad os hará libres...»</i><br />
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      • #4
        mi audio revelation... marshall jvm is the only other that comes close out of the companies you listed.
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        • #5
          I guess this calls for a rundown

          Marshall

          In my honest opinion, all of the new Marshall stuff are pretty mediocre. I'm talking about all the DSL/TSL stuff, off course you'll be able to find a lot of fans of these amps here, I'd stay away. They are pretty versatile, but I think they sound mediocre, not worth the money.

          I didn't hear all the rather new Vintage Modern stuff, supposedly they can do both vintage and modern sounds (pretty obvious naming huh), but I can't tell you much about this.

          The MG line is ****************.

          The AVTX line is pretty nice for what it is if you're on a strict budget, otherwise buy tube amps.


          In my opinion the best of the Marshalls are vintage reissues, especially the Plexis and all the different combos they have. The Marshall Plexis are my personal favorite amps, they can do vintage 70's rock sounds, and with some pushing, 80's metal, they generally don't do teh brutalzz well.

          The JCM800 is also a big favorite of mine, it's ganier than the Plexis. Pretty damn brilliant amp.

          The JCM900 in my opinion is ****************, as is the JCM2000. Your millage may vary.

          Users:
          Plexis: Hendrix, Clapton in Cream, Blackmore, Jimmy Page live, Angus Young, KISS, pretty much everyone who played hard rock in the 70's, EVH (On Van Halen 1, heavily modded though), Eric Johnson(it's hard to hear a Marshall in there, but supposedly it is there)

          JCM800: Gary Moore, plenty of 80's hair metal guys, Satriani used 'em before he had the sig Peaveys.





          Vox

          Don't know much about them, someone else, please elaborate.
          Nice amps, but supposedly the quality has decreased since they moved production to the east. Still, pretty nice amps, they do lots of stuff, you gotta hear them yourself.

          AC30's: Great tube amps, capable of a lot. Brian May from Queen uses them.

          ADVT series: Great emulator stuff for the money. Again, buy tube if you can afford it rather than this. Can't be beat for versatility though.


          Fender
          Again, I'm not much of an expert.
          Renown for great cleans and light overdrive. Used generally by blues folks, ala SRV, John Mayer, Clapton (not sure about it). Great tube stuff, stay away from the solid-state stuff though.




          As to which is best, there's no such thing. Everyone has different tastes, it's up to you to choose.

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          • #6
            Other people, please elaborate on Fenders and Voxes. I'm a Marshall guy...

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            • #7
              The AC30's have fantastic, chimey, sparkley cleans and break up into a great shimmier three dimensional overdrive when cranked. They are my favorite amplifier period. However, they are not the most versatile things out there. They do a fantastic clean, and a fantastic overdrive, but they always sound like a Vox. With the right guitar and boost you can get some metal tones out of them such as the ones heard on Refused's "the shape of punk to come". It will not get br0000talllzzzzzzzzzzzz, in a modern sense, however.
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              • #8
                ^^^^ i concur with purplestain, love my AC30 but it ain't a amp for teh brootalz.
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                • #9
                  Marshall JVM......will do the jcm 800 and plexi sound. It has great cleans. And it also does the brootalz. I have a TSL and I agree that though it is a nice amp it was not quite what I wanted in a Marshall. The JVM is another story.....very nice amp and it is versatile almost too a fault......by which I mean you have so many tones to play with that it's hard to figure out which one to use.
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                  • #10
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                    • #11
                      However, they are not the most versatile things out there.


                      Lol I think they're THE most versatile amps, period. So what if other amps have cleans all the way through modern high gain? They usually sound like **************** for all but one of those (the modern high gain), and sometimes even for ALL of them. Meanwhile, an AC15/30 will do every single sound in its entire range as if that's all it was built for.

                      And I don't think you need a boost for Shape of Punk To Come. You can go beyond that without one. As far as the higher gain aspects of that go, it's just power chords, pretty much. You can do trem picking and palm mute stuff if you just turn them up. It may not respond and sound like a 5150, but that's a hell of a good thing in my humble opinion, as that's what allows it to excel at the full range of its sounds to begin with, instead of being stuck on one of them.

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                      • #12


                        Fender
                        Again, I'm not much of an expert.
                        Renown for great cleans and light overdrive. Used generally by blues folks, ala SRV, John Mayer, Clapton (not sure about it). Great tube stuff, stay away from the solid-state stuff though.




                        As to which is best, there's no such thing. Everyone has different tastes, it's up to you to choose.


                        I beg to differ about staying away from Fender's solid state line. I have an Eighty-Five from Fender, which is a pure solid-state amp.. and it sounds really good.

                        Granted, you should invest in a tube amp, but the solid states are good for the price.
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                        • #13
                          Gain specturm (stereotypes)

                          More Gain <---> Less Gain
                          Marshal --- Vox --- Fender

                          I'm a huge fan of Vox mainly because I really dig the beatles, tom petty, u2, and others that used vox amps. I've never had the $$ to actually own one, though... someday... People tend to say Vox's have the most "musical" sound, and can be used on just about anything (not just guitars).

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                          For all three companies the treasured sounds are in vintage amps (or I guess reissues too). Not that their new amps sound bad... but more than likely all of your favorite bands played on their old school amps.

                          Research these to get an idea of their trademark sounds:
                          Marshall JCM800 (100w head, with 4x12 cab or stack)
                          Marshall 1959 'Plexi' Superlead (100w head, with 4x12 cab or full stack)
                          Vox AC30 (30w combo, 2x12 cab)
                          Fender 'Tweed' Bassman (50w combo, 4x10)
                          Fender 'Blackface' Deluxe Reverb (20w combo, 1x12)

                          Keep in mind that all of the above are LOUD as hell so make sure you know what you're getting into.
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                            Hah hah! They're only loud if you turn 'em up!!

                        • #14
                          Lol I think they're THE most versatile amps, period. So what if other amps have cleans all the way through modern high gain? They usually sound like **************** for all but one of those (the modern high gain), and sometimes even for ALL of them. Meanwhile, an AC15/30 will do every single sound in its entire range as if that's all it was built for.

                          And I don't think you need a boost for Shape of Punk To Come. You can go beyond that without one. As far as the higher gain aspects of that go, it's just power chords, pretty much. You can do trem picking and palm mute stuff if you just turn them up. It may not respond and sound like a 5150, but that's a hell of a good thing in my humble opinion, as that's what allows it to excel at the full range of its sounds to begin with, instead of being stuck on one of them.


                          Oh come on! I personally think it is the greatest amplifier ever made, and it's usable throughout it's range, but there are sounds that other amplifiers get that I cannot. I cannot get a 5150 tone, nor a JVM tone, nor a Fender type clean. Do I want those? No, I dig the Vox sound and it's one i'm completely happy with. As much as I love it, I can garauntee that it isn't going to be the amplifier for the OP as he's wanting to cover too much ground.

                          A JVM, in my opinion, would be more up his alley. A Vox isn't a channel switcher do-it-all behemoth and it isn't meant to be. We're in agreement about that, and also the fact that those particular amplifiers usually lose somethign in the translation. In fact, it would appear we're in complete agreement, unless of course you're going to say that the Vox excels at a more modern sound and can get you any tone you're looking for, which I will completely argue against.

                          It is a Vox AC30 and can get the sounds associated with that, and ONLY those sounds. They are fantastic ones, and probably the greatest guitar tones ever created, but they're not going to rattle your balls with modern hi-gain low-end either.

                          as far as "the shape of punk to come" through my alnico's and with my single coil guitars, I CANNOT get that tone. However when playing through my friends humbucker equipped Stingray and through a marshall cabinet I can see that it would be possible without a boost as I messed around with it a bit, though not with the intention of copping those sorts of tones.

                          No need to jump to the defense of the AC30 as i'm in its corner all the way, but I have to disagree that it's the most versatile amplifier ever made. A fender Bassman also is usable all the way up it's dial, if that is going to be your definition of "versatile" as are many old tweed amplifiers. It sounds great no matter where you put it, yes, but it's not a multiple amp in box sort of affair like the JVM or modelers, which is what it seems like would be the only thing that would do what the OP expects from a single amp.
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                          • #15
                            I own a vox AC30CC2x... My answer to your question is Hughes and Kettner. If you've got the money don't hesitate. Don't get me wrong, my AC30 is okay, and i'm sure that if I studio-ed it a bit it would sound great, but I've played 4 of their amps, 2 of which (triology and switchblade) sounded as good as professionnally done tracks... when being played at low levels!
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