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  • #61
    Damn brits need to get in with the new technology, then!! :cop:


    well they're not like.... Samson combo advanced, but they're getting there. :lol:
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    • #62
      I agree that you should know quickly. I would say within a day. Try a boost, try different settings. If you don't like the sonic signature of the amp, time isn't going to change that.

      My VHT Deliverance is like that. Can I make it sound good? Yes, of course. Does it have "MY" sound? Nope. Only reason why I still have it is because I have been to busy to bother with selling it until recently. I think all amps have a sonic signature you either agree with or not. All other switches, settings, etc... are just variations of that sonic signature. Even POD's and Axe'FX's and such has a specific sonic signature that you are just modifying.

      If you don't like it yet, trade it for something you do....
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      • #63
        well they're not like.... Samson combo advanced, but they're getting there. :lol:


        :lol:

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        • #64
          I dunno...I think a solid amp should be good at both bedroom and live settings.


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          • #65
            Why? Do you expect your car to be able to tow a horse trailer, and win drag races? Use the appropriate tool for the job.


            If technology was available that was cost effective enough to make that the standard, absolutely I would. New production amps should come with a MV that is able to give you awesome tones at any volume.
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            • #66
              If technology was available that was cost effective enough to make that the standard, absolutely I would. New production amps should come with a MV that is able to give you awesome tones at any volume.


              Preamp topology has alot to do with it. You're thinking modern high gain amps with a bunch of gain stages. It's way easier to get a good low volume sound with amps like that but the trade off is you don't get anything like the dynamics and mojo that one gets from something like a 2203.
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              • #67
                Yeah, I think that if Laney is marketing the power scaling thing, I agree it should sound good at any volume. And maybe it does, I haven't tried the amp yet, it could be just an issue of learning the Laney tone stack. I was looking at the IH120 just now and quite frankly it gave me a headache, a LOT of options to tweak on that amp. I definitely prefer the more streamlined design of the GH/LH.
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                • #68
                  I understand you completely but I disagree about boogies. The tonestacks are there, they can be creative etc but in the end they are set and forget for me. Especially the marks. I mean, out of all the combinations usually one specific will bring the guitar you play up front.


                  What I consider them to be is access to the circuit. Forget, pull deep, ressonance, tonestack curves and **************** like that. Every guitar-amp combination is different I stumbled upon guitars that played great with amp A and like total **************** with amp B, you wouldn't believe it really. All those funky switches are capacitors or just minor tweaks to signal path, nothing magic. The fact that they are there just saves you a trip to mod-land or to your tech.


                  By no means do I consider them to be "bad" amps, on the contrary they're brilliant and I love the sound of them from many players other than me. Petrucci's tone on Awake is still one of my all time favorite prog metal tones, but I know myself better than to try and use an amp with a graphic EQ :lol: I just know what I like at this point, and if I have too many options or have to fiddle too much to find just the right spot, I won't have much fun with it. The Dual Recto is one of those amps to me. It took me forever to figure out where I find them to sound good, which is totally unintuitive from a 'traditional' standpoint. Depending on the guitar and pickups I have to just about dime the presence, have the resonance really low, put the highs all the way down around 2-3, the lows around 3-4, and the mids usually boosted a bit. Even then I never feel like it sounds quite right and the mid knob doesn't quite add what I want, but that just tells me it isn't the amp for me. Nonetheless I still decide to go play on one at least once a year to make sure. :lol:

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                  • #69
                    On the subject of Laneys, even the old AOR has a quirky tone stack. It sounds really weak with none of the boosts engaged, but once you start pulling those boosts on everything becomes way too much. It is also really sensitive to what preamp tubes are in each socket, so for a seemingly older school design it is pretty tweaky. I dicked around with mine forever before I found settings I really liked, which ended up usually with all the boosts on and really low settings for the dials. Like Bass at 0 - 1, Mids between 4-6, and treble around 1 or 2. It's one of those amps where there is a hard to find sweet spot on both the bass and treble dials, and it is easy to make the amp way too muddy or way too bright with just a nudge. Maybe that is the Laney thing, I don't know. :idk:

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                    • #70
                      Preamp topology has alot to do with it. You're thinking modern high gain amps with a bunch of gain stages. It's way easier to get a good low volume sound with amps like that but the trade off is you don't get anything like the dynamics and mojo that one gets from something like a 2203.


                      Maybe, to a degree, but I look at my mak4...its a preamp...ALL of my tone come from the preamp. Im EASILY able to get great dynamics and touch sensitivity and play with guitar volume roll off and all that through it, using my old art, the bass head I used as a power amp for a week, the 44 mag that I have now. I dunno...I just think that tone shouldnt be dependant on volume...regardless of what youre looking for. I dont have any issues getting great tones of any style at any volume...
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                      • #71
                        Maybe, to a degree, but I look at my mak4...its a preamp...ALL of my tone come from the preamp. Im EASILY able to get great dynamics and touch sensitivity and play with guitar volume roll off and all that through it, using my old art, the bass head I used as a power amp for a week, the 44 mag that I have now. I dunno...I just think that tone shouldnt be dependant on volume...regardless of what youre looking for. I dont have any issues getting great tones of any style at any volume...


                        With tube amps, unless you get 100% of your tone from your preamp (like your mako) you're always gonna be dependent on volume. Part of why the Marshall 2203 was such a rocking sounding amp when cranked was because it was essentially identical to a Plexi but the two "channels" (hi and normal) are running in series rather than parallel. That's most of it anyway. The MV is really primitive but that's not the reason they need to be loud. They need to be loud because they're sill basically a Plexi, but they've got a little bit more gain coming from the preamp vs. a plexi where it's a clean preamp and the PI and power section are crunching.

                        If you add just one more gain stage you can get quite a bit more saturation at low levels, but you lose the magic touch and tactile feedback you get from the Plexi lineage.

                        Does that make sense?

                        FWIW I add a PPIMV plus the regular MV when I build one and it makes them much better. A depth mod is another worth while mod.
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                        • #72
                          On the subject of Laneys, even the old AOR has a quirky tone stack. It sounds really weak with none of the boosts engaged, but once you start pulling those boosts on everything becomes way too much. It is also really sensitive to what preamp tubes are in each socket, so for a seemingly older school design it is pretty tweaky. I dicked around with mine forever before I found settings I really liked, which ended up usually with all the boosts on and really low settings for the dials. Like Bass at 0 - 1, Mids between 4-6, and treble around 1 or 2. It's one of those amps where there is a hard to find sweet spot on both the bass and treble dials, and it is easy to make the amp way too muddy or way too bright with just a nudge. Maybe that is the Laney thing, I don't know. :idk:


                          Yep they have always been like that. There are some awesome tones to be had, but you need to learn their tone stacks.

                          On my old AOR with B/M/T settings were 2/1/1 with the boosts pulled, no ****************. It doesn't make ANY sense, but it sounded great. My GH now is 7/2.5/4, which also won't work with ANY other amp I can think of but with the GH it sounds like this:

                          http://www.tonefinder.com/files/48-Switch%203.mp3

                          Which exactly what I want it to sound like, you can't really go by conventional settings with Laneys.
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                          • #73
                            With tube amps, unless you get 100% of your tone from your preamp (like your mako) you're always gonna be dependent on volume. Part of why the Marshall 2203 was such a rocking sounding amp when cranked was because it was essentially identical to a Plexi but the two "channels" (hi and normal) are running in series rather than parallel. That's most of it anyway. The MV is really primitive but that's not the reason they need to be loud. They need to be loud because they're sill basically a Plexi, but they've got a little bit more gain coming from the preamp vs. a plexi where it's a clean preamp and the PI and power section are crunching.

                            If you add just one more gain stage you can get quite a bit more saturation at low levels, but you lose the magic touch and tactile feedback you get from the Plexi lineage.

                            Does that make sense?

                            FWIW I add a PPIMV plus the regular MV when I build one and it makes them much better. A depth mod is another worth while mod.


                            I hear you, but then we are going back to plexi style amps, which I wouldnt really consider new production or new technology. I definitely understand if people want to get power tube break up in there. Personally, I dont like power tube or speaker breakup...I want all my tone coming from the preamp, but I do still want to be able to get dynamics from it, which Im able to do. If we are talking power tube breakup, I think thats a different animal, and yeah, youre gonna HAVE to be LOUD to get the tone youre looking for. Having said that, TONS of people have told me that you have to get your 5150s LOUD to sound their best, and I never found that to be the case.

                            In the case of the Ironheart...its marketed as a modern high gain amp...in which case, I think it SHOULD have a MV that allows you to get great tone at any volume level.
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                            • #74
                              I hear you, but then we are going back to plexi style amps, which I wouldnt really consider new production or new technology. I definitely understand if people want to get power tube break up in there. Personally, I dont like power tube or speaker breakup...I want all my tone coming from the preamp, but I do still want to be able to get dynamics from it, which Im able to do. If we are talking power tube breakup, I think thats a different animal, and yeah, youre gonna HAVE to be LOUD to get the tone youre looking for. Having said that, TONS of people have told me that you have to get your 5150s LOUD to sound their best, and I never found that to be the case.

                              In the case of the Ironheart...its marketed as a modern high gain amp...in which case, I think it SHOULD have a MV that allows you to get great tone at any volume level.


                              with the 5150, it depends.... if it's stock, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference because they're biased SO cold from the factory, but with a bias mod and biasing the tubes on a more normal range, they definitely sound better turned up.

                              I like the stock sound though.
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                              • #75
                                with the 5150, it depends.... if it's stock, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference because they're biased SO cold from the factory, but with a bias mod and biasing the tubes on a more normal range, they definitely sound better turned up.

                                I like the stock sound though.


                                I disagree...I bias modded mine and it sounded the same at whatever volumes...
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