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  • #31
    I think as most people have said, Laneys really arent a "plug 'n play" amp, take everything you know about EQing and amp and throw it straight out of the window because theres nothing else out there that works like a Laney. I had my first VH back when i was 23 and i didnt like it, i found the features confusing and i couldnt get my head round dialling it in, 3 years later i bought another one and absolutely loved it, but it was on after i'd spent the time and got advice on speakers and the way the EQ works.

    I found the Ironheart the same, i tested the amp pre-release about 18 months ago and the guys at Laney had it dialled in so well it absolutely floored me, but after tinkering for a few minutes i had got totally lost in the amp! It does have a lot of tone shaping features and the range of tones is quite vast but all of those tones are very Laney. Maybe you're not getting on with the Laney voicing? Its something that is an acquired taste and it isnt for everyone, but you hear that core sound in everything valve that Laney make.

    As for the on-board boost, i've never come across the problem that a few forumites have, yes i have tried it maxed out on the lead channel with the gain maxed out and i didnt have a problem. I've found the boost really useful, especially at lower volumes. I think those experiencing problems may be pushing a lot of bass frequencies as well as gain and what they should remember is that the boost boosts all of the frequencies.


    I don't get how people can't dial in an amp. It's not rocket science here folks. Maybe it's because I used to write machine code for CNC's where you're worried about 3D geometry and trigging out angles in 17 different planes and making it all work, but to me, regardless of how an amps EQ works it takes me about 10min to figure it out and dial in a workable tone.

    Maybe it's because I've owned Boogie stuff for 20 years
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    • #32
      buy a blackstar, much nicer amps!


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      • #33
        I don't get how people can't dial in an amp. It's not rocket science here folks. Maybe it's because I used to write machine code for CNC's where you're worried about 3D geometry and trigging out angles in 17 different planes and making it all work, but to me, regardless of how an amps EQ works it takes me about 10min to figure it out and dial in a workable tone.

        Maybe it's because I've owned Boogie stuff for 20 years


        A lot of people dont understand how frequencies interact with each other, it may not seem like rocket science but not everyone has a balanced ear. Its really no different to making a guitar sound good on a recorded mix yet most people pay someone
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        • #34
          I don't get how people can't dial in an amp. It's not rocket science here folks. Maybe it's because I used to write machine code for CNC's where you're worried about 3D geometry and trigging out angles in 17 different planes and making it all work, but to me, regardless of how an amps EQ works it takes me about 10min to figure it out and dial in a workable tone.

          Maybe it's because I've owned Boogie stuff for 20 years


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          • #35
            I play the GH not the Iron Heart, but one thing about Laneys is the tone stack is very different and "normal"EQ settings don't really work well. At the moment I am setting my treble at 4 and my mids at 3 and that's NOT a scooped or muffled tone. I would start with your eq set to zero and turn the mids and highs up gradually until you have just enough mids and bite, then set the bass knob. You may find the tones you want with some EQ settings you'd never thought it would work.

            Having said that, if you're after the 5150 tone, you can probably sell your amp and buy an used 5150 without any extra money out of pocket.


            Not to hijack this thread , but thats a great way to go about the EQ, personally i've never thought about it like that with my VH and yeah , i have my days when the tone just don't seem right, though it's the best amp i've ever owned so not complaining, Will definately give this a whirl b4 rehearsal 2moro.
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            • #36
              I don't get how people can't dial in an amp. It's not rocket science here folks. Maybe it's because I used to write machine code for CNC's where you're worried about 3D geometry and trigging out angles in 17 different planes and making it all work, but to me, regardless of how an amps EQ works it takes me about 10min to figure it out and dial in a workable tone.

              Maybe it's because I've owned Boogie stuff for 20 years


              I wrote a giant rant about this that no one read.

              It's a mixture of human psychology (I must boost instead of cut, more is better!) and by extension the guitarist ego (my tone must be equally present in lows, mids, and highs), the homogenizing effect unchanging audio has on our brains (stick a loud box fan in a room and you won't be aware of it after an hour) and by extension the Fletcher-Munson curve (we become less sensitive to midrange and more sensitive to lows and highs as volume increases), the distorted perception professional recordings give us of what guitars sound like (everything changes in a mix), misinformation spread by pros (god damn you Van Halen) and the fact that the industry benefits from you being unaware of all the above and thus never being happy with your tone.
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              • #37
                You had it a few MONTHS and still hate it??? Why haven't you gotten rid of it?? The solution is so incredibly simple to this problem. When I got my Krank a while back I hated it and sold it within two weeks! I get the part where you're broke, but you're talking about spending even more money on something you don't like?? I'm sorry, but this thread completely baffles me.

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                • #38
                  Dialing an amp is easy. Dialing your sound is not (on every amp).


                  Yeah they aren't all equal. I personally dislike amps with active eq and **************** like that because it does take time to get used to. They can be so sensitive that tiny changes on the dial cause big changes in the tone, and when they then have a further effect on the other tone knobs (which you thought you already have set where you wanted them) and the gain you can get frustrated with it.

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                  • #39
                    You had it a few MONTHS and still hate it??? Why haven't you gotten rid of it?? The solution is so incredibly simple to this problem. When I got my Krank a while back I hated it and sold it within two weeks! I get the part where you're broke, but you're talking about spending even more money on something you don't like?? I'm sorry, but this thread completely baffles me.

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                    • #40
                      Yeah they aren't all equal. I personally dislike amps with active eq and **************** like that because it does take time to get used to. They can be so sensitive that tiny changes on the dial cause big changes in the tone, and when they then have a further effect on the other tone knobs (which you thought you already have set where you wanted them) and the gain you can get frustrated with it.


                      The active EQ on the Triple XXX is why I eventually sold it. Once I started playing out more, I began to notice how my "go to" setting (bass 7-8, mids 5,treble 6) sounded harsh and undefined. A big part of it was even at a relatively conservative setting, the midrange was just overbearing. I tried rolling the knob back to aboout 3.5, and then it was just too scooped for my tastes. IMO, Active EQs are just way too gatdamn sensitive.
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                      • #41
                        I definitley believe that you should know within MINUTES of plugging into an amp if its a core tone that youre gonna enjoy or not. I felt that way about my 6505 212, JSX, mak4...its an immediate thing. With my mak4, I played 3 chords through it...literally...stopped, looked at Zach and just made a face...and I went home with that thing later that day lol. Same with my 6505 212...played through it for a few minutes, and walked away with it in my hand. Im not a tweaker, though, and I wouldnt be able to handle having something for months that I was struggling with and not able to gel with. IMO, its time to move on mang...sell it or trade it and get a 5150 again. Honestly, I havent heard ANYTHING that Ive liked in terms of Ironheart clips except Olas one video, but he does have a very specific tone that he shoots for and I think he can probably get that tone out of any amp with his post processing skills. Even though KSE is using these, and they are basically THE band that I look at for tone, I dunno man...I havent heard anything I like from these amps. Im a 5150 series fan....for sure...Ive owned 3 amps in the series...6505 212, 5150 BL, and 6505+...if you like those amps...I dont think this Ironheart is the one for you...just based on clips, so take that for what it is.
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                        • #42
                          I truly believe that you should know within minutes of plugging into an amp whether or not it's going to work for you...

                          ...like Raf mentioned in another topic last week... when he first plugged into his Mak4, or his 6505 combo... he just knew they were "it".... just like you can plug into other amps and immediately know that they are "not" it...

                          If you haven't gotten a tone you are in love with by now, you aren't going to get it... and even if you DO... chances are you may not even realize it now because of the pain in the ass tweaking mission you've been on... I've had amps that I fought with forever... and hated the tone from... and gone back and heard live clips of me playing with that amp and it sounded AMAZING... but because I was so pissed off at constantly tweaking the amp I kinda had a mental block that I just couldn't get a good tone from it...

                          Sucks you are broke, but if you have a chance to get out from under the amp and get something you want with minimal loss I say go for it... don't get it modded, modding is for taking an amp you love and making it better, not an amp you hate and "hoping" it's gonna make it work...

                          Good luck brother!




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                          • #43
                            The active EQ on the Triple XXX is why I eventually sold it. Once I started playing out more, I began to notice how my "go to" setting (bass 7-8, mids 5,treble 6) sounded harsh and undefined. A big part of it was even at a relatively conservative setting, the midrange was just overbearing. I tried rolling the knob back to aboout 3.5, and then it was just too scooped for my tastes. IMO, Active EQs are just way too gatdamn sensitive.


                            I went through both a JSX and Triple XXX and couldn't jive with either, and the Eq was one of the big reasons why. Most of the dial on the active EQ is pointless, and the mid knob was extra funky. I just don't like amps that aretoo 'tweaky'. I think they sound great for a lot of folks but I don't enjoy Boogie amps because of how 'creative' the tone stacks and EQ options can be. I get so caught up in the tweaking that I hardly ever just get down and play. But tha's just me...

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                            • #44
                              This.

                              How many times do you need to have an ice-pick shoved into your pee-pee hole before you realize that it hurts?


                              I agree but still some amps do need volume to show what they really can do. Also who hasn't bumped to tube amps that despite doing good at the studio fall apart (or just change sound etc) when you really press them?

                              Funny thing is that this laney has the built in watts power scaling (or whatever this is) and I'd expect to sound decent at bedroom...


                              Or just it doesn't match with the guitars/pickups and finger tone of the OP...
                              "is this tone obtainable using the HD500 or Axe Fx? Overall, for convenience and volume control, should I buy the Axe Fx over actual tube amps? I don't plan on playing loud; just playing at home and recording on my Mac. Thanks man, you are awesome!


                              short answer: no...

                              long answer: no way..."

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                              • #45
                                I agree but still some amps do need volume to show what they really can do. Also who hasn't bumped to tube amps that despite doing good at the studio fall apart (or just change sound etc) when you really press them?

                                Funny thing is that this laney has the built in watts power scaling (or whatever this is) and I'd expect to sound decent at bedroom...


                                Or just it doesn't match with the guitars/pickups and finger tone of the OP...


                                Be that as it may, he's had it for a few months now. Still unsatisfied but clinging on to some inkling of hope that some minor tweaks will all of a sudden, transform the amp into his holy grail.

                                Come on now, sell it and move on.
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