Members JJBell Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 Saw this on the Gretsch Forum. This guy has ripped off people here on HC too. This ruins it for the good folks. Maybe if any of you are close to this guy he can be gently persuaded to return the good man's money. http://gretschpages.com/forum/garage-sale/gretsch-white-penguin-for-cheap/36149/page11/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Reverend179 Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 Just read all 16 pages. Damn. That's pretty hardcore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JJBell Posted January 4, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 Just read all 16 pages. Damn. That's pretty hardcore. Yea it is. He ripped of 2 people on HC as well. These guy needs some good ol' fashioned reminders of screwing people over. Scary the police aren't doing more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members charveldan Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 Save me 14 pages and just say his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JJBell Posted January 4, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 Toby Graves, Tobias Graves, Toby Chan, he uses lots of aliases it appears. He is in a bunch of {censored}ty goth bands....one named soft kill whichactually has a record deal. He keeps having to cancel shows because he has ripped off lots of people who bought vinyl, and CDs from him. Angry mobs. Total douche of the highest kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members charveldan Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sheik_Yerbouti Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 Man, that fucking shit pisses me off! Somebody really needs to beat that fucker's ass in the name of karma, already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spaced Out Ace Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 Any of you guys notice Matt Howell in the comments on this page? http://www.seancarnage.com/2010/10/31/if-it-bleeds-it-leads/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members uppercasenoises Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 Any of you guys notice Matt Howell in the comments on this page? http://www.seancarnage.com/2010/10/31/if-it-bleeds-it-leads/ Holy shit! It's a small world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spaced Out Ace Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 Holy shit! It's a small world. I found it funny... wasn't Matt Howell supposed to be his real name or whatever? Guess not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members uppercasenoises Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 I found the scammer's girlfriend's facebook http://www.facebook.com/TobyNshiloe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spaced Out Ace Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 Is it just me or does that cat have a look like "I'ma rip you off, bitch. You game?" What a devious lookin' little bastige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pepi Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 That guy needs to be in politics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spaced Out Ace Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 That guy needs to be in politics Nah, I think his scamming is too small picture to be a good politician. Now, if he could start selling imaginary cars over the net somehow... then he may just have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HELSTRUME Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 This is why I only buy from stores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cibyl Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 Man, that fucking shit pisses me off! Somebody really needs to beat that fucker's ass in the name of karma, already! This^^^ People that pull this shit are the biggest pussies on the planet. Scum bag fucks -- I'm an inherent pacifist, but this is the kind of shit that makes me want to go vigilante. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Das Booty Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 Yea it is. He ripped of 2 people on HC as well. These guy needs some good ol' fashioned reminders of screwing people over. Scary the police aren't doing more... Sort of like when my radio got ripped out of my car at my workplace in broad daylight 17 years ago. Go to the police, give them the information, they throw it on a stack and tell me "Y'know, you ain't gonna see that radio again." Thanks. Police departments as a whole are about generating revenue. If a small crime like this happens, don't expect them to put it too high on the priority list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spaced Out Ace Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 Sort of like when my radio got ripped out of my workplace in broad daylight 17 years ago. Go to the police, give them the information, they throw it on a stack and tell me "Y'know, you ain't gonna see that radio again." Thanks.Police departments as a whole are about generating revenue. If a small crime like this happens, don't expect them to put it too high on the priority list. They'd rather stop Willie Nelson than Joe Schmo Crack Dealer because, well... it's less dangerous and it's a given. Wish I could half ass everything I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members "sasquatch" Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 anybody got a cliff's notes version of the gretsch pages blah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members duncan Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 Well that was an epic read. What a piece of {censored}. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Nolly Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 anybody got a cliff's notes version of the gretsch pages blah? New member lists a Gretsch White Penguin for very cheap price, claiming he needs a quick sale because he's going broke. One of the members takes the bait and sends a paypal payment, but after a week the guitar hasn't shown up and the guy isn't answering calls. The buyer tried to get Paypal, Police etc involved and all seem promising but flake out eventually. Other members do lots of snooping around and find out the seller has pulled several scams, including a few on this forum, also has owned a small label where he scammed people by taking preorders for EPs but never delivering. They also find out lots of his details, turns out he's in several bands, one of which is due to put an album out through a label. The buyer gets hold of the label and talks to the owners, and at first they are co-operative and offer to refund him the money and recoup their losses through the record sales, but then that goes dead too.Somewhere in the middle the seller turns up again trying to play victim, claiming he has refunded the money through Paypal. Turns out he has... except the cheque he sent to Paypal bounces and all is back to square one.Now the Gretsch forum and a few others are trying to raise awareness of this dude's scams. What a douchebag that scammer is.. Really makes you realise how {censored}ing {censored}ty some people out there are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spaced Out Ace Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 New member lists a Gretsch White Penguin for very cheap price, claiming he needs a quick sale because he's going broke. One of the members takes the bait and sends a paypal payment, but after a week the guitar hasn't shown up and the guy isn't answering calls. The buyer tried to get Paypal, Police etc involved and all seem promising but flake out eventually. Other members do lots of snooping around and find out the seller has pulled several scams, including a few on this forum, also has owned a small label where he scammed people by taking preorders for EPs but never delivering. They also find out lots of his details, turns out he's in several bands, one of which is due to put an album out through a label. The buyer gets hold of the label and talks to the owners, and at first they are co-operative and offer to refund him the money and recoup their losses through the record sales, but then that goes dead too.Somewhere in the middle the seller turns up again trying to play victim, claiming he has refunded the money through Paypal. Turns out he has... except the cheque he sent to Paypal bounces and all is back to square one.Now the Gretsch forum and a few others are trying to raise awareness of this dude's scams.What a douchebag that scammer is.. Really makes you realise how {censored}ing {censored}ty some people out there are. Probably has to buy his Goth Chic girlfriend a new Louis Vuitton body bag for sleeping and other purposes to go with his bauhaus logo covered body bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members El Glom-o Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 In related news, Vince Sansevere was released from prison in November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members duncan Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 In related news, Vince Sansevere was released from prison in November. Was he really?! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members "sasquatch" Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 New member lists a Gretsch White Penguin for very cheap price, claiming he needs a quick sale because he's going broke. One of the members takes the bait and sends a paypal payment, but after a week the guitar hasn't shown up and the guy isn't answering calls. The buyer tried to get Paypal, Police etc involved and all seem promising but flake out eventually. Other members do lots of snooping around and find out the seller has pulled several scams, including a few on this forum, also has owned a small label where he scammed people by taking preorders for EPs but never delivering. They also find out lots of his details, turns out he's in several bands, one of which is due to put an album out through a label. The buyer gets hold of the label and talks to the owners, and at first they are co-operative and offer to refund him the money and recoup their losses through the record sales, but then that goes dead too.Somewhere in the middle the seller turns up again trying to play victim, claiming he has refunded the money through Paypal. Turns out he has... except the cheque he sent to Paypal bounces and all is back to square one.Now the Gretsch forum and a few others are trying to raise awareness of this dude's scams.What a douchebag that scammer is.. Really makes you realise how {censored}ing {censored}ty some people out there are. most excellent notes. also, what a douche that dude is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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