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  • #46
    and the knobs, switches, coverings, layouts, tone.


    the classic's cleans sound nothing like fender. don't even talk about the overdrive.


    fail.
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    • #47
      Hmm. Kinda hard to take you seriously after that, especially if you are claiming that the Mark IV EQ is not very responsive (it's about as responsive as they come). Reminds me of HC reviewers who claim that their $350 Crate half-stack "totally blew away my buddy's Bogner at practice, he was like HOLY ****************!"

      Nevertheless, I am interested in these amps, but for me even a fantastic-sounding amp is kinda worthless if it's threatening to break down at any given moment...


      Like I said, I knew I was gonna catch **************** for it, but I didnt mean that the eq on the Bugera was more responsive than the MK IV. The MK IV is a great amp, I just dont think it is as great as a lot of folks on here feel it is. For me, the Bugera nor the MK IV would be a good fit, but the Bugera would be closer. On the MK IV , I tried and tried , but I couldnt get a satisfying mid- crunch tone. The high gain was great and the clean was damn near unbeatable, but everything in between I found to be average at best.
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      • #48
        Nope. Sorry. Not even CLOSE to the same circuit.

        Oh noes - they both use chickenhead knobs? I guess both of my 18 watters and the 50 watt Plexi I'm working on are Fender copies because they use chickenhead knobs and Carling switches, too, right?


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        • #49
          Sorry, wasn't familiar with that one, probably by design...


          Nobody has heard of these amps. There's exactly one review of the TV60H (which I assume was a typo, cuz it says TV50H on the head) on HC. And I've never heard them mentioned by anyone else, ever.
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          • #50



            I fail.


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            • #51
              Zero problems with my V-Ampire head since the few years after I bought it used.

              And of the couple people I know around my area who've owned a Mesa Rectifier for more than a few months have both experienced major problems with them. Any amp can have problems or not. Many manufacturers have also had problems with a first run of amps, i.e. the Carvin V-3 many people had to send back to get fixed whereas that issue is no longer occurring. I'm waiting for more people to have personal experience with them before judging anything other than the blatant Peavey ripoff scheme which does = lame, IMO.


              Yeah, but if anything malfunctions on the circuit board in the V-AMPIRE, good luck soldering a replacement. The CB is thin and not very robust and is wave soldered. Doesn't take much heat to melt the foil rings off the connection holes. You will probably need to buy a component loaded circuit board and CAREFULLY solder the ribbon cable plug to it.
              Bottom line, Behringer can make a good product, but no matter how good it may sound, A lot of people will have trouble plopping a lot of money down to fix a cheap tube amp because of its fragile circuit boards. Solution: Better circuit boards, raise the price to compensate. In the grand scheme of things, It will not be that much more expensive. And when an input jack, a capacitor, resistor, or whatever needs replacing. It can be soldered in the board without worry.

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              • #52
                Yeah, but if anything malfunctions on the circuit board in the V-AMPIRE, good luck soldering a replacement. The CB is thin and not very robust and is wave soldered. Doesn't take much heat to melt the foil rings off the connection holes. You will probably need to buy a component loaded circuit board and CAREFULLY solder the ribbon cable plug to it.
                Bottom line, Behringer can make a good product, but no matter how good it may sound, A lot of people will have trouble plopping a lot of money down to fix a cheap tube amp because of its fragile circuit boards. Solution: Better circuit boards, raise the price to compensate. In the grand scheme of things, It will not be that much more expensive. And when an input jack, a capacitor, resistor, or whatever needs replacing. It can be soldered in the board without worry.


                Agreed, but I'm wondering if there's even a problem with the circuit boards in the Bugeras aside from the fact of using ribbon cables (which I've also seen in other amps like the Marshall 6100).
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                • #53
                  Agreed, but I'm wondering if there's even a problem with the circuit boards in the Bugeras aside from the fact of using ribbon cables (which I've also seen in other amps like the Marshall 6100).


                  Ribbon cables are pretty handy, actually



                  To the OP: Glad you dig 'em man, I've wanted to try the 333xl for a while, and you confirmed my GAS. I'll see if I can't order one soon.

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                  • #54
                    Nobody has heard of these amps. There's exactly one review of the TV60H (which I assume was a typo, cuz it says TV50H on the head) on HC. And I've never heard them mentioned by anyone else, ever.


                    I did a search on Crate TV50 and found this on harmony central:

                    Product: Roccaforte HG-100 Head
                    Price Paid: N/A
                    Submitted 03/17/2003 at 12:47am by frustrated with my amp

                    Features : 3
                    It's a real new 100 watt amp head built by Roccaforte amps. It has only one channel. Very basic. It's loud too. It's all tube.

                    Sound Quality : 6
                    Well, it's always distorted sounding. It has a very bright, somewhat scratchy distorted sound. The sound of chords is very defined, with good string seperation, but a fizzyness envelopes the sound of the guitar, like static on the edges of the notes. It's a cool sound, when you want that sound.

                    Reliability : No Opinion
                    It looks solid.

                    Customer Support : No Opinion
                    My friend sells Roccaforte amps, so if anything did go wrong, I'm sure it would get fixed pronto. Also, the amp is so basic inside, that anyone with a bit of common sense and a soldering gun could fix or replace any part.

                    Overall Rating : 6
                    I did not buy the amp, although I must have tried it out for 4 or 5 hours, trying to get the right sound out of it. It's a very live amp, and the notes do jump out at you, but they are thin and piercing at high volumes and the bass gets out of hand, if you try and fatten it up. Adding mids adds raspiness, and scooping them makes it sound tinny. I was able to get a more usable sound from a Peavey Bandit, without too much tweaking of the knobs, and the distortion sounds just about the same, although the Roccaforte has greater clarity and punch, the buzziness of the gain is just too discomforting to my ears, and doesn't suit my style at all.
                    If I was playing thrash or punk, I would love this amp. It has all the distorted noiseyness of a Crate TV50, without the reediness of the Crate. The other thing, though, is the Crate has more gain, and this amp sounds better with a Metal zone in front of it, rather than just cranking it up, as the distortion isn't as tight when it's really turned up loud.
                    I did the old Jimi thing and spun all the knobs to their max settings, like I do with all my amps just to see what happens, and I was not really pleased. The amp compressed bad, and the music sounded like it was getting smothered under water, but maybe it was just the powertubes not being able to take it. It reminded me of a Musicman RD50 in a way, when I did that.




                    Maybe the floor model had a dying tube, moron? Someone could have jarred the head while moving it, you don't know, you're not there 24-7.
                    I don't know, Doug, your amp just got compared unfavorably to a cheap crate tube amp and a peavey transtube amp. This guy must be an expert?

                    He goes on to say: "the amp is so basic inside, that anyone with a bit of common sense and a soldering gun could fix or replace any part" I guess he was intrigued enough to have his "friend" open up the amp (that he did not like) to look at the build? He's full of ****************. That whole "overall rating" paragraph is a masterclass in why no one should put a stake in HC reviews.

                    Oh, and the amp reminded him of a Musicman RD50? **************** me!!!!
                    Spinning a custom amps controls to all their max settings?
                    This guy shouldn't have even been allowed to try that amp out.

                    Fail-a-Fail-a-****************ety-Fail-Fail.

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                    • #55
                      wow i never thought i'd see the day that an amp gets more hate than the 5150


                      Does the name Krank ring a bell?

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                      • #56
                        Welcome to HCAF....where people who LOOOVE to judge and give opinions on amps they've never even tried.
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                        • #57
                          Agreed, but I'm wondering if there's even a problem with the circuit boards in the Bugeras aside from the fact of using ribbon cables (which I've also seen in other amps like the Marshall 6100).
                          Actually the ribbon cables don't bother me as much as the problems a thin circuit board can create. They are much more fragile, Prone to malfunction from heat or physical movement. I can't remember, but I believe the Behringers are two-sided as well (correct me if i am wrong...)

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                          • #58
                            Welcome to HCAF....where people who LOOOVE to judge and give opinions on amps they've never even tried.
                            Yeah, I love it when they try it in a store...then give it a review.

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                            • #59
                              what stores are these gonna be in? hopefully all the big stores that carry behringer?

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                              • #60
                                what stores are these gonna be in? hopefully all the big stores that carry behringer?


                                Funny you mention that. Since I've seen it available to order on SamAsh.com
                                I called 4 of my local stores to see if they had them in stock yet and they all said no and 1 guy said that Sam Ash stores would not be carrying them and they are available to order online. Guitar Center reps no NOTHING about the Bugera line so I would assume that they are out of the equation.
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