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  • #31
    Hey guys, I'm not an F-series owner, but i've got a relevant experience.



    I'm planning on going on a month or two long tour this summer, and I'm looking for a backup for my main amp, an Orange AD30TC and 2x12 Orange cab w/V30's. I wanted something with two channels, EL84's, big sound, takes up little room, and doesn't weigh too much (since it would be a backup). Poking around yesterday at GC in West Palm I saw that they had just gotten in a bunch of Lonestars (like 6 of them), a couple of tridents, and one F-30 combo.



    Now, i had played the Trident before, and knew it wasn't for me at all, but from what i had heard, i was really interested in playing the lonestar. But when i saw the F-30 sitting there i plugged into that first. I hadn't even considered the F-30 despite the fact that it pretty much fits all the criteria that i wanted for a backup amp.



    Long story short, I sat there and played the F-30 for an hour straight, and never plugged into anything else. Man that little amp was killer. I love the simplicity of the controls (other than the reverb, the control setup is the same as my Orange, although from what i've read the knobs interact differently, maybe). I love the versatility of the amp. So many sounds were available from just two channels. I like to set my Orange up live with one channel being a lightly overdriven clean, and the other being a fuller overdriven sound. That capability was there in the F-30. The addition of the contour boost was even better. I can imagine as a solo boost or as a slightly different voicing option, there are very few sounds that wouldn't be available in this amp.



    My only complaint (which is not a big one by any means) was that, as i turned the gain knob up, the overdrive became more "compressed" at higher levels. I think this is mainly due to the fact that the F-series is mean't to do much higher gain than my Orange. With the Orange, the gain stays very open sounding and uncompressed, even at high volume and gain settings, but the gain from the F-30 was almost twice the level of what my Orange is capable of.



    Either way, I think i've found my backup/next amp. If the sounds that i was getting out of it semi-cranked in the loud room at GC, and through the 1x12 V30 in the combo are any indication, this amp will absolutely destroy running through my Orange 2x12 V30 loaded cab.



    I've got half a mind to drag my cab and guitar back down to GC, just to check it out. *rant* I had to use some Hum-equipped LP standard, because for some reason, that GC doesn't have ANY P-90 equipped guitars at all. Nor do they have ANY sets of guitar strings from ANY brand with a wound G string. *rant*
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    • #32





      Originally posted by thriftyshirt

      I've got half a mind to drag my cab and guitar back down to GC, just to check it out. *rant* I had to use some Hum-equipped LP standard, because for some reason, that GC doesn't have ANY P-90 equipped guitars at all. Nor do they have ANY sets of guitar strings from ANY brand with a wound G string. *rant*



      I'm running my F-50 head through two 1x12 cab's with celestion 90's and sounds wonderful. No speaker distortion. I don't know what these would sound like with the F-30 seeing that it has different tubes but might be worth a try. I like the head and dual cab setup because it give me options. For some instances all I need is the head and one cab but for others I have the option of running the prefered two. Also this is very portable which is something you might really like, plus the head version of the F-30 is even smaller than the F-50 head.

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      • #33





        Originally posted by markmann



        I'm running my F-50 head through two 1x12 cab's with celestion 90's and sounds wonderful. No speaker distortion. I don't know what these would sound like with the F-30 seeing that it has different tubes but might be worth a try. I like the head and dual cab setup because it give me options. For some instances all I need is the head and one cab but for others I have the option of running the prefered two. Also this is very portable which is something you might really like, plus the head version of the F-30 is even smaller than the F-50 head.




        I used to use a similar setup, and i ran an Egnater TOL50 into two Mesa Theile cabs with EV 200 watt speakers in them. It was nice and versatile, but I've found that closed back 1x12 cabs are way too directional for my taste, as i play smaller venues and rarely mic the guitar. Also, i prefer the closed back sound, so an open back 1x12 isn't really an option.



        I didn't even know there was an F-30 head available. Do you know a street price on one of these? And possibly a reputable dealer? (I know i could google this myself, but it might be nice info to have in this thread.)
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        • #34
          F-30 head I believe was either $800 or $850 on the 2004 price sheet.



          I don't think you can buy them online really. But my local store is www.eastcoastmusic.com Great store. Ask for Sandy. They may ship? I don't know.

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          • #35
            I work right near East Coast Music. Let me know if you guys ever need me to go in there and check on something. Sandy is the Man!
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            • #36
              I have only had my F-50 a couple of weeks but here is what I have learned so far:



              -every knob on there affects the tone in ways I did not expect, for example the master volume. Mids become more pronounced as you pass 11 o clock



              -I run mine thru an attenutator, a Weber Mass, so I can open it up a bit. Otherwise it is a bit loud for my apartment. It really doesn't sound great with the master volume at extremely low settings



              -My guitar goes thru a Maxon compressor then into the amp. The compressor obviously gives me more sustain but also does something nice to the treble frequencies, makes them much smoother.



              -Occasionally the reverb seems to not work on the lead channel



              -I usually run an EQ in the loop boosting the bass a bit. It lessens the mid range honk and make the sound so full and warm. It is awesome for overdrive jazz leads. Amazingly the EQ seems to work fairly well in the parallel loop. But I did just receive the mod instructions to make it serial and I might do that.



              -I love the clean. I was debating a Mark IV (and will probably get one in the future) but I didn't think the clean would be as good as the F-50.



              -The biggest mental adjustment for me is having the tone stack pre-distortion stage. The tone controls lessen their effect as gain is increased. For me this means needing an EQ in the FX loop. But since I rarely use really hi gain this isn't an issue for me



              -I get a better hi gain sound out of this amp by reducing the bass on my EQ pedal before the input, then boosting the bass in the EQ in the loop, post-distorion. That gives me a tighter low end, less flub.
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              • #37
                I'm really happy that this thread is becoming alive and kickin'!



                There's a lot of good information exchange here... so keep it coming guys.



                I don't have anything spectacular to add at the moment.



                What comes to tone controls of the F: Surely there is some Mesaisms on those knobs, but I think F is their easiest amp to work with... actually, the amp sounds really good if everything is set to 12 o'clock... can any other amp do that?



                PS. Thanks hal for your offer... if I want to see some combinations that do not exist I'll contact you... keep up the good work... those pics are excellent.
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                • #38





                  Originally posted by Tommi Inkila



                  What comes to tone controls of the F: Surely there is some Mesaisms on those knobs, but I think F is their easiest amp to work with... actually, the amp sounds really good if everything is set to 12 o'clock... can any other amp do that?




                  Oh yes I agree It IS easy to dial in a great sound on the amp (like you said, everythin at 12 is pretty damn good). I just meant that if you start to dial everything pretty high (especially gain/mids/bass), like you would/could on a non-MV Marshall, the F series will not sound very good.

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                  • #39





                    Originally posted by JeffB

                    F-30 head I believe was either $800 or $850 on the 2004 price sheet.



                    I don't think you can buy them online really. But my local store is www.eastcoastmusic.com Great store. Ask for Sandy. They may ship? I don't know.




                    I paid $700 US for my F-50 head last week and was quoted a price of $650.00 for a F-30. Quite a value if you ask me, especially since I already had cabinets... I couldn't pass it up!!!

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                    • #40
                      I agree with you Jeff completely... I just wanted to make a general note about those knobs. With Mesaisms I ment that "treble affects to other knobs" -thing.



                      BTW, do you have more exact settings for those vintage Marshall sounds for the F? That would be cool to try out.
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                      • #41





                        Originally posted by musicdog400

                        -I get a better hi gain sound out of this amp by reducing the bass on my EQ pedal before the input, then boosting the bass in the EQ in the loop, post-distorion. That gives me a tighter low end, less flub.



                        I've never heard of anyone using EQ pre and post... interesting, I'll have to give that a shot. One thing I don't want to do is mess with the treble or mids, my last rig was TOO smooth and creamy and I am now enjoying the more edgy upper range tone. I would like to clean up the bottom a little though.

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                        • #42





                          Originally posted by markmann



                          I've never heard of anyone using EQ pre and post... interesting, I'll have to give that a shot. One thing I don't want to do is mess with the treble or mids, my last rig was TOO smooth and creamy and I am now enjoying the more edgy upper range tone. I would like to clean up the bottom a little though.




                          I've run an EQ pre and post at the same time and you can get some massive sounds. Set the PreEQ for a treble/mid boost and lower the bass. Set the PostEQ to taste. Depending on how much mid you set you can get a real crunchy 80's metal sound, nu-metal scoop city, massive plexi midrange (if the gain is down), etc. The preEQ can be also be had by a boost pedal that removes some bass like an SD-1. IMO, pre/post EQ is the real secret weapon in generating your sound.



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                          • #43





                            Tommi, you can get a Marshall-esque sound by starting with my setting called Vintage High Gain.



                            Thanks for pointing me that out... I'll try that in todays rehearsals.
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                            • #44
                              Keep the thread alive!
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                              • #45
                                I switched from a Marshall DSL setup (as per user name) to F-30 and I am still happy

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