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  • #16
    It's a sad commentary on culture/taste/art/money in our society.

    I saw him play once in the 70's, the pre-Breezin' era. It was a transcendent performance. Possibly the best live guitar playing I've ever heard. By the end he had a crowd at a jazz show standing on their feet, yelling and screaming.

    I saw an interview with him 10 or 15 years later...he admitted flat out that he had to go pop to make a living and feed his family.

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    • #17
      Gear, you really need to take this more third-person.

      Noone is attacking George Benson. Noone is attacking his musical direction. If he donned a baseball cap & started rapping about his childhood, and all the haters out there, he would still have the respect earned by his early audience. And his current audience. Thats what "legend" means. The hero is remembered for saving the world, not getting off with the bird at the end of the movie.

      However, to expect a person disposed to one style of music to view his later, different, music with the same value is fanciful. This is not the Cult Of Benson. This is a group of guitarists for whom some of his music was awesome, and some isnt. If I had a sit-in with George Benson (I wish ) I would like to learn the things that appealed to me. Not the things that appealed to an audience of baseball cap-wearing anti-hater fans. And fans of the future Nu-Benson Rap craze prolly wouldnt be interested in learning the tricks from his 60's jazz days.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Gearasameanstoamusicalend
        How about this:

        Think of the George Benson record that you despise the most. Listen to it from a production point of view. Analyze it from a technical point of view. Chart the tunes and play the different parts.

        You will learn a ton.

        You can then decide to play the stuff, or not.

        Now, compare the sales of this record to the best-selling record you have. Who sold more?

        You see, sales mean that the music was appreciated by someone. Real people bought the records. Many even enjoyed the music.

        You are criticizing an artist for selling their work?

        It doesn't meet your standards of purity and good?

        It's America! You're free to say it.

        You are also free to do better.

        Even at your artistic best, you'll have critics. Critics have talents as critics.

        If you played your music for George Benson, what would he say about your stuff?

        I'll bet that any of you would love to take a lesson with him. If you did, would you spend the time moaning about a Benson record you personally didn't like?

        Or, would you bite your tongue and try to learn something that could make you better?

        I'd learn everything I could, giving Benson the respect that he has earned over a lifetime of work.

        That's what this post is about.

        If you really want to hear George, playing the style of music that you love the most, contact his agent, and hire him for a private gig.

        You could even sit in with him. He is very personable and would like to hear you play!

        I'm curious why you seem to take this so personally?

        George Benson is a brilliant guitar player. From the mid 60's to the mid 70's he was, along with Joe Pass, one of the two most important jazz guitar players in the world. His body of work from that period is the equal of any period in the life of any one who has ever played the instrument. Sadly, the state of jazz is such that regardless of his aclaim and success, he was unable to make enough money to adequately support his family. As a consequence he turned to making music that he knew would reach a wider audience and he succeeded. I don't disrespct him for that and I haven't read much in this thread that suggests that anyone else does either. Frankly, I'm glad he's found commercial success. He paid his dues and he deserves an appropriate reward.

        Of course I would love to take a lesson from him. He is one of greatest guitar players who ever lived. However, that being said, I still wouldn't recommend a single album he's made since Breezin' to anyone and I wouldn't spend any more of my money on buying any of those albums. I have a couple of times and they've ended up in the used CD bins fairly quickly. Why that seems to offend you is a complete mystery to me.


        • #19
          Thanks for the suggestions. I'm going to get Cookbook


          • #20
            Hey man, are you 'Tag' from the PRS forum? Just curious.


            • #21
              I hear a lot of music that makes me think that the artist is lucky to get a record deal and have the public buy their music.

              George Benson is one of the artists that makes me think that the PUBLIC is lucky that he got a record deal so they can buy HIS music.
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              • #22
                This might be a little off-topic, but I thought I saw a signature here or in the guitar forum about a young George Benson walking into a small club in NY, seeing a really young, famous player (I can't remember who) and getting all discouraged because he thought everybody was a monster and he had no chance to make it.

                Anyway, I'm always amazed when one fine player is intimidated by another.


                • #23
                  Originally posted by WGH
                  This might be a little off-topic, but I thought I saw a signature here or in the guitar forum about a young George Benson walking into a small club in NY, seeing a really young, famous player (I can't remember who) and getting all discouraged because he thought everybody was a monster and he had no chance to make it.

                  Anyway, I'm always amazed when one fine player is intimidated by another.

                  Yeah, that was George at 18 seeing Pat Martino(at age 17) play when he first came to NY


                  • #24
                    I saw Benson twice at a little hole in the wall in San Francisco called Keystone Korner, before Breezing. and sat in the front row with my feet on the edge of the stage about, I **************** you not, about 4 feet from George.

                    Both times I saw him needless to say he played his ass off. BUT from what I recall he didn't look happy at all. He was like that both times. Came out and played and then left.....

                    The thing about Breezin for me was I love it when I first heard it and grew to hate it because of the radio stations. I never want to hear that record again...

                    I like GB before Breezin.......and I never want to hear him scat again.....

                    Pat Martino / Scott Henderson these two are geting old and kicking all young guitar players ass's


                    • #25
                      Inspired writing, Gearasamusicalend Makes me want to agree.
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                      • #26

                        I also love Pat Martino...


                        • #27
                          Benson's idol Wes Montgomery took the same heat that Benson get's for playing Pop.

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                          • #28
                            I think George is one of the best jazz guitarists ever--an absolute monster. He never seemed to have the knack for putting together albums and ensembles the way that some guitarists do (Pat Metheny comes to mind). Strictly from a playing standpoint, however, I see him as the natural heir to the Wes Montgomery throne. And like Wes, George sees a lot of success in popular music. Not many jazz guitarists can claim that.
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                            • #29
                              Nice to see Benson fans. I certainly am. Been playing to his albums
                              since White Rabbit (well 'trying' to play). I just recently bought
                              his signature guitar and it does have that 'tone' which I love.
                              I never expect to be able to do what he does but I do bring a little
                              of him along into my own music. I basicly learned scales just from
                              playing to his albums. I was surprised to learn years later these
                              'formations' I had learned had names.
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                              • #30
                                I'll second Brother Jack McDuff. "Live! w/ George Benson, Red Holloway, Harold Vick and Joe Dukes" is one of the best albums I own. Though you kinda have to be in the mood for that Bluesy Jazz. It's two live club shows edited together from 1963.

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                                It's mad, they all play the same sick little solo on their instruments from B3 Organ to Saxophone. Check it out, cuz it should cost less than some new MTV crap.
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