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  • #31
    Originally posted by ralphster007


    Yngwie? Alas, he was about 70 years too late, and in the grand scheme of neo-classical will amount to little more than a spur under Stravinsky's fingernail. A very talented rock guitarist? Most definitely. But I still don't see how his work adds up to any more than that.


    I said NEO - classical. Not classical. NEO, as in NEW. The term Neo classical, as I first heard it, refers to Classically influenced rock/Heavy Metal guitar playing.
    Look here: http://www.anus.com/music/definitions.html

    Stravinski is not new, and to the best of my knowledge, was not exactly a Marshall-and-Strat type of guy.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by robochimp

      Stravinski is not new, and to the best of my knowledge, was not exactly a Marshall-and-Strat type of guy.


      No, he was more of a Boogie man I think.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by robochimp


        I said NEO - classical. Not classical. NEO, as in NEW. The term Neo classical, as I first heard it, refers to Classically influenced rock/Heavy Metal guitar playing.
        Look here: http://www.anus.com/music/definitions.html

        Stravinski is not new, and to the best of my knowledge, was not exactly a Marshall-and-Strat type of guy.


        "New" classical is like "new-old". Thats why Stravinsky is considered a Modern composer, and why Yngwie will never amount to more than a footnote. And that as a guitarist, not a musician. Stravinsky might be long dead, but his music is more modern than anything I've heard from Yngwie.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by TeleCastrMaster
          I might be cutting my own throat here, but...

          Who the HELL is YNGWIE MALMSTEEN?


          Wouldn't you all just love to see Yngve's reaction to that question

          So, he gets a glass of water on him... and he screams like a baby. How much rock'n'roll is that?

          A lot actually
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          • #35
            What a friggin` loser...


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            • #36
              I never did understand all of the Yngwie bashing on HC. So the guy is a bit eccentric...big deal. It doesn't erase the fact that he's a brilliant and accomplished guitarist and artist. Go back through history and study a lot of accomplished musicians and you'll find similar traits when you peel back the rhind. Remember too that a lot of the hype is overblown media-tripe. It gave me chills when Rising Force first hit the streets, and it still does. I'm fortunate to be able to hang out with him for a few days this coming week, and for me, it's the thrill of a lifetime.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Johan











                /Johan


                HE FAT!

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Bot
                  I never did understand all of the Yngwie bashing on HC. So the guy is a bit eccentric...big deal. It doesn't erase the fact that he's a brilliant and accomplished guitarist and artist. Go back through history and study a lot of accomplished musicians and you'll find similar traits when you peel back the rhind. Remember too that a lot of the hype is overblown media-tripe. It gave me chills when Rising Force first hit the streets, and it still does. I'm fortunate to be able to hang out with him for a few days this coming week, and for me, it's the thrill of a lifetime.
                  I understand the "eccentric genius" concept, but in his case it's way more extreme. He seems to be a complete sociopath. I'd be surprised if he's had a thought about another person is his entire life. It shows in his recordings.

                  I'm happy that you're going to meet him, because he sounds like a big influence for you. I just hope he doesn't try to get his bodyguards to focking kill you for not kissing his ass.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by robochimp


                    I said NEO - classical. Not classical. NEO, as in NEW. The term Neo classical, as I first heard it, refers to Classically influenced rock/Heavy Metal guitar playing.
                    Look here: http://www.anus.com/music/definitions.html

                    Stravinski is not new, and to the best of my knowledge, was not exactly a Marshall-and-Strat type of guy.


                    the point is that stravinsky did the neo-classical thing already this century, and was infinitly better and more influential than malmsteen....malmsteen is really more neo-neo-classical...
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by khameleon


                      the point is that stravinsky did the neo-classical thing already this century, and was infinitly better and more influential than malmsteen....malmsteen is really more neo-neo-classical...

                      No, actually, that isn't the point at all. It has NOTHING to do with the point.
                      WHAT THE POINT IS:TeleCastrMaster asked who he is. I merely told him. THATS ALL. He didn't ask who originated Neoclassical music. He didn't ask thedefinition of neoclassical music. He didn't ask who Stravinsky is. In fact, NOBODY did in this thread. The TITLE of the thread refers to a quote by Yngwie Malmsteen.
                      When the Stravinsky thread rolls around, it's all yours.

                      I'm going by the definition in the link I posted - which, apparently, no one could be bothered to read. Whatever definition you want to give the term is fine with me.

                      Here is what the definition in the link reads:
                      NEOCLASSICAL:In popular music, originally meant guitar flourishes by whizzards such as Yngwie J. Malmsteen, who borrowed technique and riff shaping from classical music to liven up his intensely technical solos.
                      I did NOT create that definition, I merely read it.

                      Speaking of reading, Please go back and read what I actually posted.
                      I said: " SOME say he started the whole Neo-classical thing.".

                      I'm not going to sit here argue about whether Yngwie can be compared to 'real' classical composers.
                      Is that what you really think I'm doing? Comparing Yngwie to Stravinksy, or ANYONE else, for that matter? Please.

                      It seems like you missed "The Point" entirely.

                      I'm not Defending, arguing about, or slamming Yngwie J-****************ing-Malmsteen, okay?
                      Maybe I need to take a break. It seems I can no longer write even the simplest, most obvious of statements without someone mis understanding what I said, or taking it out of context.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by koiwoi

                        I'm happy that you're going to meet him, because he sounds like a big influence for you. I just hope he doesn't try to get his bodyguards to focking kill you for not kissing his ass.


                        Thanks for the chuckle.

                        Actually, he wasn't that big of an influence on me. At the time he emerged, I was deep into jazz and more interested in guys like Metheney and Benson. I just respect him for his amazing command of the fretboard. I'll find out more about what kind of a person he is soon and be able to form my own opinion...I suspect it's not nearly as narcissistic as some would think.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Bot

                          I suspect it's not nearly as narcissistic as some would think.
                          Just about every quote attributed to him is out of context and/or incomplete. Not to mention that every writer since the mid-80s has been trying to bait him into a juicy quote.

                          People are almost never anything like what you read about them. It's all about selling magazines/newspapers, etc.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Bot


                            I was deep into jazz and more interested in guys like Metheney and Benson.


                            Bensons early recordings are still unsurpassed by anyone IMO. I have heard bootlegs of him playing a few years ago in an all jazz setting that cannot be believed. Technique that rivals the best sax players, and rhythmic and harmonic complexity beyond belief. Humbling to say the least.
                            .......Interesting Malmsteen story. There is a local guitar player who is about the fastest I have ever heard. (Rhett Tyler) Several years ago he jammed somewhere with Malmsteen and Joey Lynn Turner. Word has it that when Malmsteen could not match this guys speed, he packed up his guitar and left like a pouting child. Lol!

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Tag101
                              Bensons early recordings are still unsurpassed by anyone IMO. I have heard bootlegs of him playing a few years ago in an all jazz setting that cannot be believed. Technique that rivals the best sax players, and rhythmic and harmonic complexity beyond belief. Humbling to say the least.


                              I've heard about a guitarist (and this story would now be so much better if I could remember his name) that thought he was a big shot cause he was in the little town he came from. he goes to NY to "make it". The first thing he does is to go to some small club and up on stage is Benson just tearing it up...
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                              Ah, sorry, it's all in swedish, but you can always <i>look</i>!<br />
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Terje
                                I've heard about a guitarist (and this story would now be so much better if I could remember his name) that thought he was a big shot cause he was in the little town he came from. he goes to NY to "make it". The first thing he does is to go to some small club and up on stage is Benson just tearing it up...
                                I think that was Benson who saw Pat Martino rip it up. Someone had that in their sig sometime back.


                                I haven't heard much Yngwie music.....but I rather like his insanely fast shredding..........it baits the chicks in school like carrots bait donkeys
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