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    So I have this BAIB stuff on my computer. It's fast and easy to just write out a chord progression on and then have it played back up to 40 choruses in a row. In whatever key and whatever tempo you like. Basically in any style you like too.

    This seems ideal for practice and I've treid it a few times. There is however one problem. BAIB does not swing no matter what you do to it. What happens to your rhythmic feel over time if you keep practicing much with this thing?
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  • #2
    I don't know!

    But isn't it the same as practicing with a metronome? They don't swing either, but working with one helps you to do so in the long run, because you learn to keep time, which is necessary before swinging. Maybe some some people who think they "swing" (not you, of course), really don't keep time very well.
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    • #3
      Machine's don't swing. They don't feel. They don't know how to anticipate/retard to create tension. Live with it. It is a practice tool. I practiced with drum machines for many years, even while playing in bands because it made my timing extremely precise...and that allowed me to work the human side more effectively. It also drives drummers crazy when you tell them they are slowing down or speeding up..they know they are (if the yare any good), they just don't hink anyone else can tell.
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      • #4
        I don't think it's a serious problem. Maybe on the contrary. If one develops a feel for
        metronomic time (more or less exact) one can drift between pushing the beat, dragging behind it and playing on top of it.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Fred5
          If one develops a feel for metronomic time (more or less exact) one can drift between pushing the beat, dragging behind it and playing on top of it.


          For that I can use a metronome. What scares me a bit is that this machine "swings" like some of my young friends "swing". Can it be good to play and practice with something that "swings" like crap?
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          • #6
            I have played guitar for many, many years but only in the last couple have I discovered the advantages of using the computer to work out and practice new tunes, especially tunes that I didn't know before.
            With about 25,000 midi files and using Logic Audio I have been able to listen to any track, study the dots and best of all play quietly to learn the track without interruption.
            Next best thing is to lift the drum track and play it at rehearsal...no need for the drummer to turn up and although the "swing" ain't there, you must have discipline. The track always finishes at the same time, can't put in another turnaround to get you out of a scrape!
            All members of the band can learn the numbers on their own so saving time at rehearsal.
            Disadvantages are that some of the midi files sound a little naff but they are usually note perfect to the original. The improvisation comes in a litle later when the band meet, of course, but everyone already has a feel for the number and that saves time.
            Tell you what tho'...the older I have got the louder we seem to play. Mmmmmm, now there is a thing!

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            • #7
              My drum machine had a swing function. The software prolly has a swing function in it somewhere.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by jivejust
                My drum machine had a swing function. The software prolly has a swing function in it somewhere.


                it does try to "swing" you know. It has uneven 8th notes and all. But it sounds very bad and I have noticed that a lot of younger musicians I play with sound like this too.
                Terje Larsson

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                You can also check out my crazy friend Dan's crazy website where he'll teach you to master the guitar in 8 minutes (or days... or whatever).

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Terje


                  it does try to "swing" you know. It has uneven 8th notes and all. But it sounds very bad and I have noticed that a lot of younger musicians I play with sound like this too.


                  No doubt from practicing solely with that type of software instead of humans...
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Terje

                    For that I can use a metronome. What scares me a bit is that this machine "swings" like some of my young friends "swing".







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