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    I've decided that I'm a Les Paul guy. I've gone through a few superstrats, jazzmaster types and double cutaway types but I keep coming back to that traditional Les Paul shape and sound. It just does it for me.

    HOWEVER...I can't afford those real deal $2000 variety models. I've seen people talk about Agiles, I've done some research on Nelsonics and they look like a great deal. I've seen Epiphones, Samicks, Tokais, Burny's, Orville's. I wish I could own them all
    What are some of these that you have played or enjoyed or owned? Even if it's the $2700 Alpine White Custom (I can dream can't I )

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    The PRS Singlecut (and it's budget cousin, the Tremonti SE) is a terrific guitar in the Les Paul tradition. I've seen used Tremonti SEs around for as little as $350, which is a terrific price for a great guitar. It's not as "high performance" feeling as a true PRS, but a nice playing and nice sounding guitar all the same.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Joe Merlino
      The PRS Singlecut (and it's budget cousin, the Tremonti SE) is a terrific guitar in the Les Paul tradition. I've seen used Tremonti SEs around for as little as $350, which is a terrific price for a great guitar. It's not as "high performance" feeling as a true PRS, but a nice playing and nice sounding guitar all the same.


      Yeah I forgot about that axe. I haven't had the chance to try one but would really like to.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Eric John
        I've decided that I'm a Les Paul guy. I've gone through a few superstrats, jazzmaster types and double cutaway types but I keep coming back to that traditional Les Paul shape and sound. It just does it for me.

        HOWEVER...I can't afford those real deal $2000 variety models. I've seen people talk about Agiles, I've done some research on Nelsonics and they look like a great deal. I've seen Epiphones, Samicks, Tokais, Burny's, Orville's. I wish I could own them all
        What are some of these that you have played or enjoyed or owned? Even if it's the $2700 Alpine White Custom (I can dream can't I )

        I would be more inclined to go with the Gibson 'studio', Junior or 'faded' models than with the copies...just my preference...at least they can say "Les Paul" on them
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        • #5
          My $0.02 is try as many as you can.

          For what it's worth I've got an Epi Les Paul that I bought about 8 years ago and its truly a keeper. All I changed was the PUPs, but the body and neck are great. However, I must have tried about a dozen different guitars in my price range before I found this one.

          I'm sure there are some real dogs out there as well, but only you can tell what you like.

          By the way, my kids guitar teacher has a really nice LP studio -> but it was just over $1000!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Eric John
            I've decided that I'm a Les Paul guy. I've gone through a few superstrats, jazzmaster types and double cutaway types but I keep coming back to that traditional Les Paul shape and sound. It just does it for me.

            HOWEVER...I can't afford those real deal $2000 variety models. I've seen people talk about Agiles, I've done some research on Nelsonics and they look like a great deal. I've seen Epiphones, Samicks, Tokais, Burny's, Orville's. I wish I could own them all
            What are some of these that you have played or enjoyed or owned? Even if it's the $2700 Alpine White Custom (I can dream can't I )


            Take another look at the AGILE LP copies. I have heard some real good things about them and how they sound and feel. They sell for $249 with a case they are $300. If you buy 4 at a time you can get them for $205 ea. I held a right handed one that a friend bought and it looked very nice. I could not play it due to my lefthandedness but I can tell you the craftmanship was excellent. Finish was spotless. The frets were well done, the neck felt nice, inlay work was perfect. The case was real nice hardshell case. Not one of those flimsy single thickness P'sOS. This was a nice instrument well made, looked great. The guy who bought it has many guitars....he is somewhat of a collector/player. He has some where in the neighborhood of 40+ to his credit. Several Gibson Les Pauls and he says these AGILE's are giving the real thing a run for it money. I think there are some reviews you can read on the web.
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            • #7
              I have two LP standards- an Epiphone (Ebony) and a Gibson (Wine Red). The Epi is a fine guitar, there is nothing I could single out as being "wrong" with it (except maybe the pickups are adequate rather than outstanding, but that is quite common in mid-price guitars), it plays nicely, sounds good and there are no cosmetic flaws; it just seems to lack a bit of character when compared to more expensive LP types.
              I was quite happy with the Epiphone until I went to a sale at a guitar store near me (I was actually looking for a new amp) and saw this Gorgeous Wine Red Les Paul hanging there; there was actually a whole wall full of Les Pauls, but this one just stood out a mile. I played it, fell in love with it, and took it home with me; i did not go there looking for a guitar at all, but the Gibson felt so much better than any LP I had ever played, I just had to have it.
              My Les Paul has the fat 50's neck on it, and I tried a Gibson with the 60's neck (a Lightburst, I think), and also a Tokai, just for comparison, and the one I originally wanted was the one that felt right to me. I don't know if the looks subconciously influenced me on the feel of the thing, but it just felt RIGHT.
              The Tokai was an excellent guitar, a step up from the Epiphone, and very close to the Gibbo for just over half the price, but just not quite the real deal IMO. If I was looking for an LP on a budget, that would be the one that I would go for, or maybe a used Gibson Studio. The Epi Elites are very highly- rated as well.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by MoreQuestionsThanAnswers
                My $0.02 is try as many as you can.

                For what it's worth I've got an Epi Les Paul that I bought about 8 years ago and its truly a keeper. All I changed was the PUPs, but the body and neck are great. However, I must have tried about a dozen different guitars in my price range before I found this one.

                I'm sure there are some real dogs out there as well, but only you can tell what you like.

                By the way, my kids guitar teacher has a really nice LP studio -> but it was just over $1000!

                MQTA


                I have a 2000 Epiphone Les Paul which is great! I think their Q.C. has gotten a lot better and they've even upgraded their guitars with wax-potted pickups and grover tuners.

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                • #9
                  A very long thread about Agiles from when this used to be the Vets Forum.

                  http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=202436&highlight=agile

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                  • #10
                    Plus there were a zillion threads in the Guitar Jam...isn't there still a 'stickied' thread there just about Agiles...?

                    My only concern with many of the copies is the test of time...how well will the woods age over ten, fifteen, twenty years? I mean, if they are being made for $100, and sold for $250, how much time do you think they spent kiln-drying the woods, selecting the grains, etc...? Cheap Asian labor is not the only reason cost are so low for these instruments...

                    I do not know of any Gibson owners who have done an A/B with an Agile and sold their Gibsons...I do know some who traded theirs' in for PRS McCartys...

                    Does anyone remember the Ibanez "lawsuit' Les Paul Copy?

                    Since I see Gibsons on the internet going under $800 (studios, Juniors, fadeds, Lites...) why would I recommend a $250 copy of questionable staying power? Save up and buy the real thing...just MHO...
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                    • #11
                      What kind of treatment does Gibson give their wood as opposed to other less expensive guitar brands? I wasn't aware that there was a special process. I just assumed they chopped the tree down, took it to factory and shaped some guitars

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                      • #12
                        and besides...I respect the Cool Jam opinion more than other ones

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                        • #13
                          Wood preparation although still valid, is certainly much much less so on a solid body as compared to an acoustic, and given the price difference between a cheaper Chinese guitar and an American name brand, the cheaper guitar most definitely has it's place.

                          Also not everyone, by a long shot, has the intention or desire to keep the same guitar for a long period of time.

                          Also one needs to bear in mind that some of the most sought after sounds come from some of the cheapest guitars made; Dano

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                          • #14
                            About the Agiles - I've never tried one myself but trustworthy players like Bob_ingram says they're A ok. He even posted clips of his PRSs and Agile DC Les Paul and nobody could spot any differences quality wise.

                            I've a had a Tokai Love Rock (Les Paul) model and I was an idiot for selling it. The top of the line ones are rather expensive nowadays I hear.
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                            • #15
                              its all about the nelsonics and putting in 59's
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