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  • #16
    So, there's too much music available from too many musicians and the SRVs and ECs out there are drowned out? How can this can be true? A really great player song/writer has a vast instant audience via the internet. If SRV was alive and starting out today, wouldn't he automatically stand out from the herd and get recognized right away?

    Maybe not. There are plenty of people playing today who are technically way beyond any of the Beatles, Clapton or Vaughn (Yingwie, Vai, etc.) but to me their music is cold, sterile and uninteresting.

    Creativity (and innovation) in art go on all the time, but at certain times and places there is convergence of factors that make a renaissance: talent, roots, new ideas in the general culture, the right media, venues, etc.

    When this happens, it's almost like artists make great art in spite of themselves. For eample, think of the San Francisco (and west coast in general) scene in the 60's. A profusion of bands, some great some not, but we still whistle the tunes of a lot of the not-so-great ones from that time.

    But then the artistic energy dissapates, and nothing very interesting happens for a while. An SRV playing now doesn't have that energy to charge him up and he isn't as creative, and doesn't stand out.
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    • #17
      Creativity (and innovation) in art go on all the time, but at certain times and places there is convergence of factors that make a renaissance: talent, roots, new ideas in the general culture, the right media, venues, etc.


      So are we on the downslide? In the trough? Or on the cusp of any new musical revolutions? If a youngin' wanted to be at the forefront of the "next big musical idea" what would he practice?

      And lastly, who drives the music scene the most? I think I'd argue that the youth drives mainstream music the most.

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      • #18
        I take what I said back, there was one band that had really caught my ear, it was Muse. When I heard the opening to Stockholm Syndrome, hey that 's pretty cool.

        so there's one...
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        • #19
          I take what I said back, there was one band that had really caught my ear, it was Muse. When I heard the opening to Stockholm Syndrome, hey that 's pretty cool.

          so there's one...

          I like them. I like Coheed and Cambria, too.
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          • #20
            I like them. I like Coheed and Cambria, too.


            my kids have some C&C I'll have to give them a listen...do they have Geddy Lee sounding vocals?
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            • #21
              my kids have some C&C I'll have to give them a listen...do they have Geddy Lee sounding vocals?
              My college junior son has them. I'm not sure if he still listens to them? I don't recognize 80% of what he owns

              Then again, I bought 95% of my albums between '67 and '85 and I haven't kept up with the music scene, except for Blues.
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              • #22
                my kids have some C&C I'll have to give them a listen...do they have Geddy Lee sounding vocals?


                Yep. I like the early 70s sensibility (Zep/Deep Peurple kind of vibe) with modern sound. Plus, their albums are all concept albums, sort of sci-fi stories.

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                • #23
                  So are we on the downslide? In the trough? Or on the cusp of any new musical revolutions? If a youngin' wanted to be at the forefront of the "next big musical idea" what would he practice?

                  And lastly, who drives the music scene the most? I think I'd argue that the youth drives mainstream music the most.


                  My friend Ellen Harmon has moved back to town for awhile. She, along with Chet Helms and Luria Castell, were the Family Dog who produced some of the first dances and musical events in San Francisco in the 60s. Given her founder status and witness at the creation, the author of a book published in 2007 about the SF scene sent her a copy and she loaned it to me: Love Is The Song We Sing: San Francisco Nuggets 1965-1970, "produced" by Alec Palao. It contains loads of great photos and 4 CDs worth of music. An essay by Ben Fong-Torres, "The San Francisco Sound (Actually there Wasn't One)," gets into the history of what happened and why.

                  Roots: SF (including the greater Bay Area) had a strong tradition of live jazz, folk and blues in lots of venues.

                  Kids: Young boomer kids made up 50% of the population - they increasingly wanted to dance and freak out (explore themselves)!

                  Community: Some kids, in school and out, got the idea that they could form their own communities in which to participate; others found themselves pulled into these networks which grew. The Bay area had really great thrift stores and two SF costume shops went out of business in 1964 - suddenly everyone was dressed up! Long hair ad freaky clothes let you ID folks in the same community

                  Drugs: Many people turned away from alcohol (which turned you off) to pot, psychedelics and dexidrine (which turned you on). This was, of course, part of being in the community. These drugs made dancing really fun.

                  Attitude: The people in these communities (eventually to be called hippies) didn't ask why, but why not? They didn't worry about whether they knew how to do something before they did it, and it didn't occur to them they couldn't do whatever they wanted to. They'd at least try!

                  Political Ferment: Civil rights movement was cooking; the Viet Nam War got started; there was a draft; free speech movement started in colleges (not just Berkeley). Lots of people, especially youth, felt a need for change.

                  Musical Ferment: Beatles, electric Bob Dylan (add your own here). Combined with roots, drugs and attitude. Some people were already playing music - others picked up instruments and started jamming. They tried this. They tried that. Bands formed. People danced to them. More people wanted to dance to them. Venues were found - production companies formed. Lot's of it was weird and experimental or incompetent, but first of all, it was dance music! The bands all listened to each other. The music industry didn't know what was happening and couldn't really control everything. AM radio ruled and big name DJs like Tom Donahue had their own labels and were responsible for getting peple heard and recorded.

                  Of course, what was happening in SF was also happening in LA, NYC, Chicago, London, Liverpool, etc. Unfortunately for a young musician now, I don't think any of this is happening anywhere today.

                  But there are some things to take away: move toward possibilities and avoid limitations. Sure, perfect your chops and understanding as much as you can, but don't let the lack drag you down. BB King maintains that he has a very small chordal repertoire, finds it almost impossible to comp or play rhythm and is "limited" to playing lead lines. Experiment - try to make original music. But don't forget your roots; maybe you can find a way to put an original twist on folk (Dylan) or blues (Clapton, Hendrix), latin (Santana), etc. Try to find a musical community to play in and for. And make dance music. It involves your audience from their heads to their toes. It's no wonder hip hop is so popular - it's all about dance beats.
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                  • #24
                    I don't think music or the music biz is any different now than it's ever been. The style of music might change or the delivery methond such as going from records-to cds- to Ipods; but you always have pop on the charts and "niche" music for the musicians or audiophiles.
                    One thing to remember about Led Zep ( or SRVin the 80's) , they weren't listened to by most people. Look at the charts from the 70's and you'll barely find Led Zep. They were almost lost in a steady stream of David Cassidy, Osmonds, and later Disco and R&B.
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                    • #25

                      One thing to remember about Led Zep ( or SRVin the 80's) , they weren't listened to by most people. Look at the charts from the 70's and you'll barely find Led Zep. .



                      Huh?

                      http://www.geocities.com/cstuff84/l.html#LedZep

                      Not to mention Stairway to Heaven, never released as a single but topping the charts everywhere.
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                      • #26
                        more and more people ...young and old ,are starting to gravitate tword the music and artists of the past.

                        I think there will eventually be an implosion. There is just so much out there now that alot of it is beginning to meld together , sound simmular, it's hard to find something unique. too much work.

                        However,you will always have the general sector of the public who will like what they are forced to like. what is pushed to them by various media.

                        the days of turning the tide , like a beatles, zeppelin,nirvana, guns and roses are long gone.

                        they say video killed the radio star ,well , mabey computers came along and killed everything that was left. it will have to impolde sooner or later, than we can get back to the basics.
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                        • #27
                          Huh?

                          http://www.geocities.com/cstuff84/l.html#LedZep

                          Not to mention Stairway to Heaven, never released as a single but topping the charts everywhere.


                          I believe seahorse is referring to the pop chart,as in the big dog money makers chart. the place where jonas brothers and britney spears reside.. what the majority of people were and are buying.

                          the Pop charts where led zep may have released a single thats doing well but the bay city rollers are on the radio 12 times a day and on every magazine cover and every teen girls door..
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                          • #28
                            So I was pondering my musical existence in a buzzed haze last night and, while listening to some Zeppelin, and SRV...I realized that, in general I find myself extremely dissatisfied with the current musical climate in the industry.

                            Will the industry be flooded with garbage?


                            No, the industry WILL not be flooded with garbage, it IS flooded with garbage but I can only see it getting worse, unfortunately.:cry:
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                            • #29
                              It could be worse. Disco could always make a comeback.
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                              • #30
                                I almost got excited about mars volta, but the riffage was repetitive, and again I was left feeling hollow and unfulfilled.:cry:
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