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  • mesa boogie studio preamp

    just about to get one of these and is wondering if anyone owns, uses, or used one and their thoughts?...i haven't seen a bad review yet and it seems like the clean channel sounds better than most mesa amps i have heard.... any opinions?
    GUITARS
    96 gibson sg faded sh-6s, 90 gibson les paul w/50s wiring sd sh-6 and classic 57, 11 ibanez rg3550 prestige, 07 fender strat h-s-s jb duncan and sh1 singles, 85 fender mij contemp strat 11 Esp Ltd mh-1000 with emg's, 95 mim fender strat, 92 martin d-16h, 2006 Martin d-28, 04 martin d-16, 78 Yamaha fg512 12-string, 00 Ibanez rg7421 7 string
    AMPS
    5150, rivera knucklehead, mesa studio pre, digitech 2120, marshall 9005 power amp, peavey ultra 212

  • #2
    I don't have the studio preamp, but I have the V-Twin preamp pedal, which I use in the studio a lot as a front end for recording guitar into ProTools. The clean channel on it is fantastic, and it's what I use it for the most. And from what I hear the rackmount studio preamp is even better.

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    • #3
      YES.

      Instrumental part of my sounds since 1990 or so. Hugely valuable piece of gear. Wide range of tones. Built like a tank and I can't say enough about it.

      When I first got it, it had been damaged by falling face first out of a rack onto a stage during a live performance and despite the reverb failing the entire thing was still functional despite some pots being sheared off and the front panel dented.

      I sent the thing to Boogie and they refurbed it and made it BETTER than new. They replaced the front panel, the pots, and restored the reverb and it's great again.

      Tones? Well OK. Here's clean, then dirty with a little delay. Well maybe a lot of delay.





      There's other tones it can get too, tons of them - Metallica scooped mid, fusiony tones, metal tones, country tones, rock tones, etc.

      Who used these? Pete Townshend, Kurt Cobain, mid period Metallica, "Nomad" era Scott Henderson, early John Petrucci etc.

      Also check out http://www.reverbnation.com/aliensporebomb and listen to my tunes, most them were recorded with the StuPre.

      Pssst. Pro-tip: Use the recording outs.

      Over at the http://psychopompos.proboards.com/ board there's a whole group of us with Studio preamps. They're great!

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      • #4
        thanks, i got it home and have played it some thru one of my cabs. the clean is absolutly amazing. I'm floored by the amount of smoothness it has. Im in love. I actually traded to get it and a marshall 9005 el34 power amp. yet again, im soooooo amazed
        GUITARS
        96 gibson sg faded sh-6s, 90 gibson les paul w/50s wiring sd sh-6 and classic 57, 11 ibanez rg3550 prestige, 07 fender strat h-s-s jb duncan and sh1 singles, 85 fender mij contemp strat 11 Esp Ltd mh-1000 with emg's, 95 mim fender strat, 92 martin d-16h, 2006 Martin d-28, 04 martin d-16, 78 Yamaha fg512 12-string, 00 Ibanez rg7421 7 string
        AMPS
        5150, rivera knucklehead, mesa studio pre, digitech 2120, marshall 9005 power amp, peavey ultra 212

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        • #5
          This is the preamp to the IIC+, correct? Or is it the preamp from the III?
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          • #6
            This is the preamp to the IIC+, correct? Or is it the preamp from the III?


            I've heard that's the case, but also heard it's closer to the circuit of the Studio amps (which would make sense I guess, given the name of the preamp). Given that I know people have sent their Studio pres to Mesa to have them modded closer to the IIC+ circuit though (although apparently it can never be dead on the same), evidently they're certainly not the same thing stock. They're definitely in that same kinda family of sounds though, and that's no bad thing at all.

            The Quad was two channels, one based on the Mark II (again I don't think IIC+) circuit, the other based on the Mark III circuit. Don't remember which channel was which off the top of my head. Have never owned a Studio myself, but did own a Quad preamp for a while. Love the Mark series sound... wasn't such a big fan of having a 3U preamp that alone weighs the best part of 600kg.

            Now I get all my Mark series tones from an Axe-FX.

            I liked the sound of my old Mark III more than the Quad though. The tones could get real close, but just something wasn't quite right. But then again, I wasn't using a Mesa poweramp, and was using different speakers and cabs with the Quad rig.
            Originally Posted by Norton666 (15/07/2009)


            Give it 6 months and the Axe-Fx will be mentioned in the same sentence as the Johnson Millenium stuff.

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            • #7
              i'm thinking a retube is going to be in my near future. although the clean channel is soooooo wonderful, The lead channel is kinda lack luster to me. Just doesn't have the saturation that i'm wanting...
              GUITARS
              96 gibson sg faded sh-6s, 90 gibson les paul w/50s wiring sd sh-6 and classic 57, 11 ibanez rg3550 prestige, 07 fender strat h-s-s jb duncan and sh1 singles, 85 fender mij contemp strat 11 Esp Ltd mh-1000 with emg's, 95 mim fender strat, 92 martin d-16h, 2006 Martin d-28, 04 martin d-16, 78 Yamaha fg512 12-string, 00 Ibanez rg7421 7 string
              AMPS
              5150, rivera knucklehead, mesa studio pre, digitech 2120, marshall 9005 power amp, peavey ultra 212

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              • #8
                Have you got the manual for it? The Mark series style pre-gain EQ + post-gain GEQ makes it a bit trickier to dial things in if you're not used to it.
                Originally Posted by Norton666 (15/07/2009)


                Give it 6 months and the Axe-Fx will be mentioned in the same sentence as the Johnson Millenium stuff.

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                • #9
                  that might be it.... right now, i'm using the sliders for the lead tone. i really cant get it like i know it should sound.... should i be using both the sliders and the other eq functions to dial in the tone?
                  GUITARS
                  96 gibson sg faded sh-6s, 90 gibson les paul w/50s wiring sd sh-6 and classic 57, 11 ibanez rg3550 prestige, 07 fender strat h-s-s jb duncan and sh1 singles, 85 fender mij contemp strat 11 Esp Ltd mh-1000 with emg's, 95 mim fender strat, 92 martin d-16h, 2006 Martin d-28, 04 martin d-16, 78 Yamaha fg512 12-string, 00 Ibanez rg7421 7 string
                  AMPS
                  5150, rivera knucklehead, mesa studio pre, digitech 2120, marshall 9005 power amp, peavey ultra 212

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                  • #10
                    that might be it.... right now, i'm using the sliders for the lead tone. i really cant get it like i know it should sound.... should i be using both the sliders and the other eq functions to dial in the tone?


                    Definitely. The GEQ will shape the overall sound more. The knobs are pre-gain EQ though, which you don't see much of in high gain type amps. Because of this tonestack location, rather than having a dramatic effect on the sound, it has more effect on the gain and the character of the sound. Think of it like running a boost or an EQ in front of the amp to shape the sound a bit. So if the tone is too loose and flubby, roll back the bass knob and then you can bump it back up post-gain at the GEQ. If you want a sharper character, bump the treble knob up more. The treble control will have a big effect on the gain of the lead channel, as will the volume (as in the rhythm channel gain control).

                    You should be able to get the manual off the Mesa site, but if for some reason the Studio isn't up there, the Quad or Mark II/III manuals should give you a pretty good idea of what's going on.

                    That's of course not to say a retube is completely unnecessary, but maybe you can get what you want or at least closer to it just by getting a better understanding of how the controls work.
                    Originally Posted by Norton666 (15/07/2009)


                    Give it 6 months and the Axe-Fx will be mentioned in the same sentence as the Johnson Millenium stuff.

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                    • #11
                      i got it figured out.... and ohhhhh muuuuuuiiii.... i really don't have the words to describe. Now let me remind you that i'm running this preamp into a marshall 9005 50+50 el34 power amp. The tone clean tone is incredible. the lead tone is incredible and very very warm and tight. It really sounds like a lower voiced mid bassed marshall. very very warm and very very thick. I'm very happy with this combo. thanks for your information on the eq. I was afraid that i would mess up the clean tone by adjusting the preamp eq too much but, that didn't happen at all. I'm very impressed.....
                      GUITARS
                      96 gibson sg faded sh-6s, 90 gibson les paul w/50s wiring sd sh-6 and classic 57, 11 ibanez rg3550 prestige, 07 fender strat h-s-s jb duncan and sh1 singles, 85 fender mij contemp strat 11 Esp Ltd mh-1000 with emg's, 95 mim fender strat, 92 martin d-16h, 2006 Martin d-28, 04 martin d-16, 78 Yamaha fg512 12-string, 00 Ibanez rg7421 7 string
                      AMPS
                      5150, rivera knucklehead, mesa studio pre, digitech 2120, marshall 9005 power amp, peavey ultra 212

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                      • #12
                        All: the manual is available as a PDF for download from Mesa's site.

                        There's also a pretty good youtube video a guy put up to discuss the studio and its controls:

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                        music projects are now available online at http://aliensporebomb.com

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                        • #13
                          thanks... some of the things i had to learn on my own.... Like how the mid knob is actually like a low mid voicing, the bass really just adjust the loose to tight, the treble is more of an upper mid voicing. then i could dial in my tone using the eq sliders. this preamp seems to have a load of midrange, which is great because guitar tone lives in the mid. I have never ran my eqs in a scooped fashion. All my other amps have the mids really really boosted. This pre is completly different though. I had to scoop some of the mid out to get a thick and smoother tone.
                          GUITARS
                          96 gibson sg faded sh-6s, 90 gibson les paul w/50s wiring sd sh-6 and classic 57, 11 ibanez rg3550 prestige, 07 fender strat h-s-s jb duncan and sh1 singles, 85 fender mij contemp strat 11 Esp Ltd mh-1000 with emg's, 95 mim fender strat, 92 martin d-16h, 2006 Martin d-28, 04 martin d-16, 78 Yamaha fg512 12-string, 00 Ibanez rg7421 7 string
                          AMPS
                          5150, rivera knucklehead, mesa studio pre, digitech 2120, marshall 9005 power amp, peavey ultra 212

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                          • #14
                            thanks... some of the things i had to learn on my own.... Like how the mid knob is actually like a low mid voicing, the bass really just adjust the loose to tight, the treble is more of an upper mid voicing. then i could dial in my tone using the eq sliders. this preamp seems to have a load of midrange, which is great because guitar tone lives in the mid. I have never ran my eqs in a scooped fashion. All my other amps have the mids really really boosted. This pre is completly different though. I had to scoop some of the mid out to get a thick and smoother tone.


                            Yep, all that Mark series type stuff has a heap of midrange in the sound, so dropping the mids a bit at the EQ isn't a bad thing.

                            Once you really get your head around the controls, you can do a lot with that pre+post EQ set up. Very flexible control set up.

                            One of the best tones I've played through was with my Mark III. Not sure if it'd work the same on the studio, but basically I ran the clean channel with the volume control cranked, I think the treble up fairly high, so it wasn't really clean at all. Then slam the input with a cranked TS-9. Was one of the fattest and most responsive tones I've ever played with. For cleaner sounds, TS-9 off and roll the guitar vol back a bit, maybe some coil splitting or something. Never managed to get quite the same out of my Quad pre though.
                            Originally Posted by Norton666 (15/07/2009)


                            Give it 6 months and the Axe-Fx will be mentioned in the same sentence as the Johnson Millenium stuff.

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                            • #15
                              how do you guys use effects thru this amp? are you using the fx loops for pedals or are you using a rack mounted unit?
                              GUITARS
                              96 gibson sg faded sh-6s, 90 gibson les paul w/50s wiring sd sh-6 and classic 57, 11 ibanez rg3550 prestige, 07 fender strat h-s-s jb duncan and sh1 singles, 85 fender mij contemp strat 11 Esp Ltd mh-1000 with emg's, 95 mim fender strat, 92 martin d-16h, 2006 Martin d-28, 04 martin d-16, 78 Yamaha fg512 12-string, 00 Ibanez rg7421 7 string
                              AMPS
                              5150, rivera knucklehead, mesa studio pre, digitech 2120, marshall 9005 power amp, peavey ultra 212

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