Members Vitaly Posted May 20, 2011 Members Share Posted May 20, 2011 Hi All! I'm new to the forum and a vocal newbie. Just recently found it's such a fun to sing - got inspired by britpop like Oasis :-) My question would be: what's the voice range of Oasis songs (the ones performed by Liam)? In particular of those songs: Songbird Wonderwall Live Forever Fade Away Rock N Roll Star http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmBvdIIQXYU According to http://musicnotes.com/ they are all in 4th-5th octaves range (1st-2nd classic octaves). Is this true?? Such a high range for male's voice? No wonder Liam's voice has worsened so much after just 2 years of singing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Masklin Posted May 20, 2011 Members Share Posted May 20, 2011 Don't look back in anger Wonderwall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vitaly Posted May 20, 2011 Author Members Share Posted May 20, 2011 Don't look back in anger Wonderwall hm.. why does this http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtdVPE.asp?ppn=MN0053692 then say "Voice, range: G4-A5"? I'm confused... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators davie Posted May 20, 2011 Moderators Share Posted May 20, 2011 The vocal range of 'Don't look back in anger' is G3 to A4, which is an octave plus 2 semitones. The highest note is A4 on the word 'Don't look back in anger' The sheet music is written in a different octave. A lot of guitar scores are written in the upper octave, while vocal scores are written in the lower octave.For example the middle C's (C4) being sung throughout the prechorus are actually the C note in between the treble and bass staves. And most of Oasis' songs are generally in this vocal range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Masklin Posted May 20, 2011 Members Share Posted May 20, 2011 Listen to Davie! My memory malfunctioned thar. is what a high song for men sounds like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vitaly Posted May 21, 2011 Author Members Share Posted May 21, 2011 Right... that's better, it sounds promising to me, as this means after transposing the songs 3-4 semitones down I should be able to sing them :-) E4 is about my max comfort limit... Many thanks guys! BTW can anyone suggest any good popular songs that are in D2-E4 range? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Masklin Posted May 21, 2011 Members Share Posted May 21, 2011 That's a rather exotic range you're choosing. 'Bobby brown' by Frank Zappa is C2 - C4 or something. 'Where do the children play' by Cat Stevens is D2 - D4 or E4. You need to accept the fact that most pop and rock is above G3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vitaly Posted May 22, 2011 Author Members Share Posted May 22, 2011 That's a rather exotic range you're choosing.'Bobby brown' by Frank Zappa is C2 - C4 or something.'Where do the children play' by Cat Stevens is D2 - D4 or E4.You need to accept the fact that most pop and rock is above G3. ...so if i'm to sing pop/rock i NEED to hit as high as G4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members staticsound Posted May 22, 2011 Members Share Posted May 22, 2011 ...so if i'm to sing pop/rock i NEED to hit as high as G4? Yes...shoot for A4, when you can hit that, the G4 will be that much easier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JohnBenussi Posted May 23, 2011 Members Share Posted May 23, 2011 ...so if i'm to sing pop/rock i NEED to hit as high as G4? Nope, that's not true.It's almost like saying you can't sing rock unless you hit Chris Cornell's range or some crap like that. If you can't sing the songs in the original key F it, and transpose the bitch a couple of half steps down...When you can sing the high notes in "your" sweet spot then you can do it. -It doesn't have to be as per the original.Only purists think like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members staticsound Posted May 23, 2011 Members Share Posted May 23, 2011 You could transpose it, but IMO, anything more than a semitone doesn't sound right...to my ears anyways. Now if these are just tunes you don't plan on performing anywhere and using for practice, then transpose away. Just my 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Masklin Posted May 23, 2011 Members Share Posted May 23, 2011 I feel I must chime in with static here. At least some good songs sound weird if played in anything but their original key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vitaly Posted May 23, 2011 Author Members Share Posted May 23, 2011 Transposed Live Forever 3 semitones down and was able to hit the notes! such a fun!! And still it sounds not bad (the song I mean)! Cool. Can anyone maybe suggest a site where I can check songs' range? What's the highest note of Bob Dylan's Knocking on Heaven's Door and Duran Duran's Come Undone? REM's Losing My Religion? Sorry :-) just can't be certain on octaves/notes at the mo. Many thanks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Masklin Posted May 23, 2011 Members Share Posted May 23, 2011 You can't go around asking others for these answers, you need to learn how to answer them yourself. Grab a guitar and trial-and-error away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vitaly Posted May 24, 2011 Author Members Share Posted May 24, 2011 yeah I know... :-( I can hear and sing notes however seem to have trouble correlating them to octaves I know it's weird... For instance when transposing a song 3 semitones down the singer's voice starts to sound very "low" to my ear, though it's still high (i.e. 1st octave)... Something with my ears I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MephistoE Posted May 24, 2011 Members Share Posted May 24, 2011 To be honest, wonderwall in any other key I would never advise. Super popular songs just seem weird when in a different key. People won't realize why they don't like it, and end up blaming it on the performer. I recommend using the same key or at most a half step either direction but don't suggest it. When dicking around though/practicing transpose away. Or if it's not as popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vitaly Posted May 27, 2011 Author Members Share Posted May 27, 2011 another thing i noticed: when transposing an original down it's more difficult to stay in tune because the original singer's vocal is playing in your head, not the transposed one. it becomes a little messy in your head: original vocal sort of mixes with song's new key. i guess i need to listen to the transposed vocal only - to lock it in my head... brr things get complicated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MikeyParent Posted May 27, 2011 Members Share Posted May 27, 2011 Super popular songs just seem weird when in a different key. People won't realize why they don't like it, and end up blaming it on the performer. I recommend using the same key or at most a half step either direction but don't suggest it. When dicking around though/practicing transpose away. Or if it's not as popular. +1 (sorta) I think some songs you can get away with it but other songs not. Not sure what it is. In my last band we did Surrender by Cheap Trick for a while. When I joined them they did *everything* tuned down a half step because their last singer's range was pretty low. It was weird for me at first (not that my range is great but I try to do everything in the original key if possible). I had to insist that we do Surrender in the original key cause it just did not sound right down a half step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members strat2 Posted May 27, 2011 Members Share Posted May 27, 2011 +1 (sorta) I think some songs you can get away with it but other songs not. Not sure what it is. In my last band we did Surrender by Cheap Trick for a while. When I joined them they did *everything* tuned down a half step because their last singer's range was pretty low. It was weird for me at first (not that my range is great but I try to do everything in the original key if possible). I had to insist that we do Surrender in the original key cause it just did not sound right down a half step. :thu: Yea, for the most part I like to do things in the original key or move on to a different song. Klaus Meine does 'No One Like You' in G# live , but I've heard him also do it in A, it's hard to imagine, but that 1/2 step makes a big diff in the overall sound of the song, I can do either key, but is sounds so much better in G# than A...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vitaly Posted May 31, 2011 Author Members Share Posted May 31, 2011 Thanks very much for your help!.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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