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    Hi, I'm about to purchase a 15" Macbook Pro with the following specs:

    -2.2GHZ Intel Core 2 Duo
    -2 Gigs Ram (which I plan to max out to 4gigs at some point)
    -160gig 7200-RPM HD

    I'm new to Mac and recording in general and I'm really just wanting to create the ultimate creative canvas within my budget.. I plan to use Reason and Ableton Live as well..

    I demo'd Logic at Guitar Center a few weeks ago and thought it was pretty cool.. Unfortunately the guys that showed me Protools were apparently clueless about it.. It took one guy 5 minutes to figure out how to open the program..

    Anyway.. What do you guys like better? Logic or Protools? In your experience which is easier to get into and which would you recommend to a guy just getting started? Would having both programs on one system create any problems?

    Any advice or tips would be greatly appreciated..

  • #2
    Shouldn't create any problems. However, you'll run into issues with ProTools, like proprietary hardware requirements (IOW, you won't be able to run PT unless you buy into their very expensive hardware), whereas Logic is pretty open about your hardware choices. Logic is also integral with the Apple OS and general way of doing things--it is, after all an Apple product, now--so there's an element of 'turnkey' that you won't get with PT.

    I would get Logic, and leave PT out of the picture.
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    • #3
      Yeah, that's what I'm leaning towards doing after playing with it.. I just don't wanna miss out on anything.. Know what I mean?

      I have a good deal of experience with programs like Ableton Live, Reason, and Audacity..

      In the case of Audacity, the only thing I found any use for, because of my limited knowledge of recording, even on such a simple program.. Was to record audio with a cheap microphone held up to my television then cut and mangle it and convert it to WAV to be sampled and sequenced in either Reason or Ableton Live.. Would I be able to do this with Logic? Sorry if that's a stupid question..

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      • #4
        Not stupid.
        Yes, you'll be able to do that in Logic. Really, in any DAW.

        All DAW's pretty much do the same thing, these days; they just take slightly different approaches to getting to the same destination. By not having ProTools, the only thing you'll be "missing out" on is the name...the marketing and hype of which has been the key to making it the "standard", so to speak. It's just one of those names that's been shoved in our faces so much over the years that people have become to believe it's the best, whether or not it may actually be.
        So, get Logic, have an integrated and native system for your OS, have the freedom to choose your hardware, and make music.
        In the end, the listener isn't going to give a damn, and no one's going to reject your tunes because you didn't do them in ProTools.
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          It's not about hype. For a long time Pro Tools was the best DAW out there, for recording at least. Sure, Logic, Nuendo, Digital Performer have all caught up in recent years, and in many ways surpassed, especially as some have mentioned, in the MIDI department. They are finally doing some work in that area, but if you're main focus is MIDI then yes, I would say Logic. However, if you want to work in a studio in North America someday, Pro Tools is still the standard. Everybody knows it and is comfortable with it and since AVID bought it the software has come a long way. They both support lots of third party plug-ins. If you want to run a full version of Pro Tools you do have to buy their software, but the M-Audio version is pretty solid as long as you don't need to do audio for video. If you're more into recording real instruments and vocals and then mixing, I would say go Pro Tools. If you're music is more hi-tech and uses a lot of virtual instruments, sampling etc. then Logic is probably better. It's true though, these days they're all pretty solid.

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        I had the same question a year ago and chose pro tools.
        Why?
        The M-Audio hardware kicks ass (I bought firewire) and priced very nicely (therefore I use M-Powered pro tools)
        You will be compatible with 65% of the market and 90% of studios and music pros.
        In my personal opinion (subjective) Pro Tools is a lot easier to use, I could do a lot of things the first time I used it with sheer common sense, with Logic I took some lessons with a pro and it was still comfusing.

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        • #6
          Pro Tools is great at tons of things... MIDI isn't one of them though, so if you think you'll be wanting to do things in this area you'll be better off with Logic. Oh, and I don't mean just outboard MIDI keyboards and the like, I'm talking about things like editing EZDrummer or BFD patterns or making your own, mixing matching, and so forth. Pro Tools will has gotten better but still isn't on par with Logic in this arena.

          That's my perception and opinion based on less than a year's usage of both.

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          • #7

            The M-Audio hardware kicks ass (I bought firewire) and priced very nicely (therefore I use M-Powered pro tools)


            Not having any experience with M-Audio's stuff, this is nice to know.

            You will be compatible with 65% of the market and 90% of studios and music pros.
            In reality, with a wide variety of output and export options available these days, you're compatible with all of it.

            In my personal opinion (subjective) Pro Tools is a lot easier to use, I could do a lot of things the first time I used it with sheer common sense, with Logic I took some lessons with a pro and it was still comfusing.
            I won't argue that. The time I've spent with Logic kinda slowed me down, too. Like you with ProTools, that's how I was with DP.
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            • #8
              Pro Tools is great at tons of things... MIDI isn't one of them though, so if you think you'll be wanting to do things in this area you'll be better off with Logic..


              According to a friend of mine pro tools was created for audio and then started gaining on the midi area, with logic it was the opposite, was created for midi and then explored the audio area.
              So yeah for just midi i would agree Logic could be better

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              • #9
                excellent thread! , just the question i was wanting answers too - i have been a mac user since O/S 7, but have been distracted by other things, just playing for one thing.
                just got into GB 3 finally recently on my now 3 yr old G5 dual 1.8 mhz 2 Gb ram 320gb hd ect., and I am blown away, i remember messin around with the first GB in that dog of an O/S 10.1 and was very dissappointed, also my old smurf G3 350 mhz tower didnt cut the mustard at the time, and having all that real estate on the cheap modern 20+ inch lcd monitors doesnt hurt. but my how things have changed so quickly!

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                • #10
                  I'd seriously like to use them both for different things.. I've demo'd out a few DAW's and I always get very excited at certain possibilities..

                  Again, you guys don't think there would be any problems having both PT M-Powered and Logic on the same Macbook Pro?

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                  • #11
                    Hey man. i am an assistant sound mixer/engineer for the soap opera General Hospital. I have both Pro Tools and Apple Logic at my home but at GH we use Pro Tools. I personaly don't know logic 2 well considering that i am always using pro tools but i do use it. When it goes to getting a job for something like that it is good to have experience in as many different softwares as possible but the majority of that line of work will be for Pro Tools.... but i am not really sure your trying to make a career out of it. I would still say to go with Pro tools because it is more universal although i am a mac person and i love all mac stuff including logic. I feel from my experience that pro tools is still a better program and if your on a budget that is the way to go!

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                    • #12
                      If Pro Tools is good enough for General Hospital, then it's good enough for me Thanks!

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                        anytime
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                        • #14
                          When do you guys think Digidesign will be done testing LE and M-Powered on the new 2.2Ghz MBP?

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                            Right after you've purchased something else.
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