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    G'day mates, I thought I'd start a thread for us G3'rs.

    So whats your setup, dont be shy? I got a 500mhz, 256mb, 20G hd, blue G3, Panther, Firewire. I havnt recorded a darn thing on her yet or any iMac for that.

    I plan on gettin a firewire M-Audio box, just sumpin small to get started with. Preferably something with Cubase bundled. I tried Ableton but dont like it.

    Whats yall's setups like hardware/software wise?

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    i've bought my G3 400 MHz, MAC OS 8.5 back in 1999 and it still works perfect for recording. i use cubase, an older version.
    until now i always recorded with mic's and yamaha dg-stomp/vox tonelab SE directly into the audio-in of my MAC with decent results.

    but now i am planning to buy a condenser mic. it requires phantom power they say and i will have to buy a mic preamp they say. problem is my old G3 has no USB or firewire ...

    what shall i do/buy?
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    • #3
      I was using a G3/400 iMac for around a year up until a month or two ago. Pretty decent little machine if you have a bunch of ram in there but to be honest, it was starting to struggle with some every day tasks.

      You can get them for around £100 used over here which is a total bargain, even if it's just for browsing the internet without fear of getting virused to death..

      Rimmer
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      • #4
        Cool, I got mine for $125, minus shipping. Supposedly the RAM can be upgraded to 1000mb's which rocks. The downside is a stick of 512mb costs about $100. But you can a 4gb ipod for used for about that much. Supply and demand I guess? Mine as well get a refurbed g4 rather than upgrade.

        Your right about surfin the web. OSX is thankfully not under attack.

        Still wise to use some anti virus software though.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by freakmonk1789
          Cool, I got mine for $125, minus shipping. Supposedly the RAM can be upgraded to 1000mb's which rocks. The downside is a stick of 512mb costs about $100. But you can a 4gb ipod for used for about that much. Supply and demand I guess? Mine as well get a refurbed g4 rather than upgrade.

          Your right about surfin the web. OSX is thankfully not under attack.

          Still wise to use some anti virus software though.


          Not sure about the virus software at this stage unless you are unhappy about not playing the silent policeman in the fight against MS based viruses..

          The PC100/133 ram is a problem new but there is tons of it out on the used market place for virtually nothing if you look to the right people..

          One point I didn't make. I ran Logic Express on the G3/400 iMac for a couple of sessions and with a decent helping of 'Freeze' it was remarkably usable. I did whack a 7200rpm 80 drive in it (really quite easy to be honest) so that probably made a difference. Some 7200 rpm drives are apparently quite hot compared to the original drive so you take your chances..

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          • #6
            Originally posted by freakmonk1789
            Still wise to use some anti virus software though.


            Maybe if you have CPU overhead, a fast drive, and tons of RAM. Really, Virus software on a Mac is fairly useless. It does way more harm than good. None of the companies out there selling it will tell you that. They wanna sell, sell, sell. I have been using Macs for a long time. Connected the the Internet a little less long. Been online since about 1998. In the past SEVEN years I have not gotten one virus, spyware, malware, worm, etc.. Never running anti-virus software either. Now, I really do not think luck or prudence have anything to do with that. Granted I have been careful, but I have also been very negligent at times.

            The simple fact is, very little Mac users = very little viruses.
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            • #7
              I've never used Anti-Virus anything on a Mac so I dont know about the performance hit, but I have used it on Wintel 98/2000/XP boxes of roughly the same Mhz as yours. The anti-virus software drops the effective speed of the machine by 33% or more,depending on the severity of the scanning settings.

              Running Windoze, you have to use it ( unless you're absolutely nuts),on a Mac it's waste of resources and $$.

              I'm with lipids on this one.Been using Macs on the net for 11 years, almost daily use, and never a virus,worm, any of that ****************.

              Spend the cash on RAM or something useful.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Rimmer


                Some 7200 rpm drives are apparently quite hot compared to the original drive so you take your chances.


                The 8mb cache drives run hotter than 2 mb cache drives. This can be a problem with iMac type enclosures where everything is really packed in to start with. Some of the G5 iMacs, the first batch ,had a real problem with heat prematurely killing HDs in that tight space.

                It's not an issue on any tower,though. I really cant say I noticed any performance inprovement since replacing a 2mb cache drive with an 8,BTW.

                Just more heat.
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                • #9
                  Question for you G3 blokes.

                  I've been researching the possibility of upgrading my old PowerMac 7100 with one of those Sonnet processor cards that bumps me up to a G3 400. Since those daughtercards seem to be fetching $200 provided one can find one available, I am guessing it's probably not worth the effort and that I should save my nickels and dimes to get a different CPU instead.

                  Am I right?

                  Thanks for the look in.
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                  • #10
                    Cool, thanks for your experience and wisdom regarding anti-virus software. Thats one less thing to worry about.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by fulcrum
                      Question for you G3 blokes.

                      I've been researching the possibility of upgrading my old PowerMac 7100 with one of those Sonnet processor cards that bumps me up to a G3 400. Since those daughtercards seem to be fetching $200 provided one can find one available, I am guessing it's probably not worth the effort and that I should save my nickels and dimes to get a different CPU instead.


                      For that $, you can get a used Beige G3 ( probably $100 or less) or a Blue and White G3 ( over $100 give or take).

                      Either is better because:
                      -they use PCI instead of Nubus expansion slots.
                      -7100 system bus speed is 33/40 Mhz, Beige=66 Mhz,B&W=66/100 Mhz. The upgrade card DOESNT affect system bus speed.
                      -G3 RAM is the same as Intel P2/3 type RAM... you can buy used dirt cheap at PC Shop.
                      -Better designed,speedier motherboard.
                      -max. RAM for 7100 is 136 Mb.
                      -G3s will run most versions of OSX.7100 max is 9.1
                      -not sure about this, but I'll bet the 7100 uses SCSI HDs instead of
                      modern ATA/IDE drives.

                      You can compare specs on Mac models here if you want:

                      http://www.apple-history.com/

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by fulcrum
                        Question for you G3 blokes.

                        I've been researching the possibility of upgrading my old PowerMac 7100 with one of those Sonnet processor cards that bumps me up to a G3 400. Since those daughtercards seem to be fetching $200 provided one can find one available, I am guessing it's probably not worth the effort and that I should save my nickels and dimes to get a different CPU instead.

                        Am I right?

                        Thanks for the look in.


                        I have yet to hear substantially positive reviews on anything Sonnet.

                        If you make sure it's got a 5400 rpm drive, and don't need PCI slots, might as well pop for a Mac Mini; get yourself an external FW drive to record to, as well.

                        Otherwise, get a used G4 450 or so for about 200, give or take.

                        At this point in the history of computers, spending money on that 7100 is like taking your wallet and tossing it in the WC.
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                          -G3 RAM is the same as Intel P2/3 type RAM... you can buy used dirt cheap at PC Shop.


                          To politely quibble:
                          The B&W G3's are very finicky about the quality of RAM in them; took me an entire weekend of trying to shoehorn OSX Jaguar into a B&W/350 before I discovered the RAM was not up to par. As well, X is a RAM hog, so you'll need to pony up the $$ for the good stuff to keep the machine happy.
                          The other caveat with the B&W machines--don't get me wrong, I still love 'em to death--is the motherboard revision. You'll need rev.2 in order for things to work properly...the rev. 1 boards have a faulty IDE controller chip...I found this out the hard way....things disappearing from my desktop, drives not recognized, no booting, etc. Total nightmare.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by offramp


                            I have yet to hear substantially positive reviews on anything Sonnet.



                            OK.

                            I put a Sonnet G3/500 ZIF CPU upgrade and a Sonnett ATA Controller Card in a Beige G3 and they both ran great.

                            No issues,ever. Unlike certain video cards I could name.

                            You have now heard substantially positive reviews on anything Sonnet.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by offramp


                              To politely quibble:
                              The B&W G3's are very finicky about the quality of RAM in them; took me an entire weekend of trying to shoehorn OSX Jaguar into a B&W/350...

                              The other caveat with the B&W machines- the motherboard revision. You'll need rev.2 in order for things to work properly...the rev. 1 boards have a faulty IDE controller chip.


                              Yes, X is picky. You could pull all the RAM except 1 "good" 256 MB stick and do the install that way. I've heard quite a few folks on the Apple forums did that.

                              I'd forgotten about the Rev.A B&W's. Thanks for pointing that out...more trouble than they're worth, so I've heard.

                              Probably still more useful than a 7100, I'll bet
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