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  • #16
    Omar, this is the review I was telling you about. I can tell you from experience that having owned one of these "BIG" name cheapies for a few months about 20 years ago (it was a Chinese made Buffet alto) I would have rather gone the route of a vintage Conn.
    Ironically enough, I later opted to get a very Conn influenced late 70s Keilwerth alto which was then named the H. Couf Suberba I. Yes, it was a pro stencil horn and it was chosen over a Yamaha 62 and an even nicer silver early Mk VI. I wanted that Conn sound in a modern horn back then and have gone full circle ever since with an early 90s Yanagisawa (more in the vintage Selmer range but still uniquely its own sound).

    http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk/Reviews/Saxes/Alto/Selmer_Prelude_AS700.htm



    Lambros:

    Thanks a lot for your input... I actually found that same review doing my research about Wisemann sax....

    Still, not sure if I should go that way....

    anyways, I took the used old sax I have, it is a CONN alright, but it is made in Mexico.....mmmmm, is this one a fake???? I did not know they made some in Mexico....

    the number in the backs says: N 41771

    I am puzzled, maybe somebody can give me a little more insight about this sax.

    Also, it is in pretty rough shape... bad, needs padding, reattach a few keys (they are in the case) and a DEEP cleaning, I try to post pics later...right now, I have to go to work.... Thanks!

    Omar
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    • #17
      Omar, your horn is actually a real Conn made in Mexico in the early 70s and it should be a 16m. Check out this thread:

      http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?t=8454

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      • #18
        Omar, your horn is actually a real Conn made in Mexico in the early 70s and it should be a 16m. Check out this thread:

        http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?t=8454


        So, should I repair it? is it worth it? because in thread you shared basically they say they are ok, but nobody will pay more than $200 for it, It will cost me $400- $500 to repair it, if not more....

        What do you guys think?
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        • #19
          Well, you could go on Ebay, buy a 10 year old Yamaha, and get a very good instrument at that price. If they update the saxes like they do their trumpets, a model a few years old has little resale value for a nice instrument.
          Play more bass.

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          • #20
            exactly...a yas-475 is a great deal to be had on the bay...btw the resale value of Yamaha saxes actually hold up rather well.

            Well, you could go on Ebay, buy a 10 year old Yamaha, and get a very good instrument at that price. If they update the saxes like they do their trumpets, a model a few years old has little resale value for a nice instrument.

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            • #21
              UPDATE:

              I traded a guitar with a guy for his Conn Alto sax. it has a few dings and dents, some rust but the pads are ok and was appraised by a local store for $300 - $400.

              the sax is at the shop, I am re-corcking the neck and fit a new mouthpiece and ligature, will post pics soon...

              Is there anyway to clean the sax and bring some of the shine, get rid of some of the rust and stickiness?

              Thanks!

              Omar
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              • #22
                Here's a few of my thoughts ....

                First-of-all, I have been playing and collecting horns and stringed-instruments for several decades.

                I do some repair work (originally, out of necessity ... now, also, to know more about vintage instruments).

                My former spouse was a certified band-instrument repair technician -- a graduate of the superb Red Wing Technical College (Minn), and a NAPBIRT member. I now have her tools and manuals, as she has moved-on to another industry.

                I attended several NAPBIRT (www.NAPBIRT.org) repair seminars / clinics, as a guest. The very "best-of-the-best" repair technicians and instructors were in attendance.

                The topic of Chinese instruments comes up frequently, at these seminars.

                Unanimously, the overall evaluation is that they are "junk". Many techs refuse to work on them. The instruments can damage or ruin repair tools and machinery.

                Why? Because the metallurgy is very sub-standard. There are far too many impurities in the alloys.

                Valve-pistons eventually seize in valve-casings ... woodwind rods and levers corrode &/or crack and split ....

                I witnessed a few "stress / failure" tests at the seminars. Various components from different suppliers and brands of music-instruments were subjected to extreme punishment on machine-shop equipment, until they failed or broke. In every instance, the parts and components from China were the first to fail.

                The veteran repair technicians told many "horror stories" of working with, and on, Chinese instruments.

                They all refuse to use even things like Chinese-made drill bits and blades. They are dangerous. Stories about drill-bits "exploding" (fragmenting) while performing routine repairs, etc.

                With wind-instruments, the brass-alloy used in the bell-section is very important. Bells are the "heart-and-soul" of the sound and the tone.

                With my horns (mostly vintage Martin Committees), I can tell you that the very best ones are from right after World War II. The tone is "different".

                Why? Because, for a while, the US Gov't released surplus military ordnance material to industry. Artillery-shell casings (empty, of course), ammunition casings .... Actually, research seems to indicate that spent ordnance (previously fired ammunition casings) that was recycled into brass-alloy stock, provides a superior tone, when used to fabricate music-instrument bells. Same as with the marvelous French Besson (Paris) horns, which utilized brass-alloy from empty 105mm artillery-shell casings that were laying around all over Western Europe, following both World Wars.

                There is much controversy about this. Some argue otherwise.

                All I know is this: I own and play enough of these vintage instruments to hear the difference. I have owned several modern examples (good ones, too) to compare to the vintage horns. I even bought Chinese (new)... still have. The Chinese horns have become almost unplayable, the older they become. Even with judicious lubrication, valve-pistons seem to "bind" in valve-casings. I suspect, without ample lubrication, the parts would "fuse".

                I strongly recommend avoiding Chinese instruments. Don't waste your money.

                Invest in a good vintage horn, and have a qualified repair-tech (look for the NAPBIRT certification proudly displayed in the shop) perform whatever maintenance is necessary.

                You won't be sorry.
                ~ Namaste ....
                Yogi Robt


                ~ Love animals ... don't eat them ~

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