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  • Venus is a LOT close to the sun than earth.

    As one who is so into science, I am sure that you can appreciate that science has shown that the earths distance from the sun has the greatest impact on the ability for life to exist and even flourish here.

    Venus is a poor example because it is already much hotter there due to its closer proximity to the sun.


    The Venusian atmosphere is also about 90 times more dense than ours... if you stood on the surface of Venus it would be like being under a kilometer of water as far as the pressure goes...

    Comparing the climates of Earth and Venus is really pretty nonsensical...
    "KA-BONGGGGG!!!"

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    • Well, global cooling hits us in cycles. We're going to be due for another ice age eventually. That's definitely going to happen one way or another.

      In fact, the receding of the last Ice age was the major change that allowed humans to move towards civilization in the first place.


      My biggest concern right now is neither global warming or cooling. Lake Michigan and several other Great Lakes are nearing all time low levels, if that continues it could become a major issue.

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      • You're absolutely wrong here.

        I hate to be blunt, but maybe you should actually know what you're talking about before you go telling someone else where they're wrong.

        Venus' proximity to the sun, with the Earth's same atomsphere would make it slightly hotter than Earth, but still habitable. If we moved the Earth into Venus' orbit, it would heat up, but it would not heat up to anywhere NEAR Venus' temperature.

        The reason why Venus is hot (HOTTER THAN MERCURY WHICH IS REALLLY REALLY CLOSE TO THE SUN!!!) is because of the GREENHOUSE EFFECT. Period.


        http://www.astronomynotes.com/solarsys/s9.htm

        He wasn't COMPLETELY wrong. Venus' water never formed into oceans due to being too close to the sun. Oceans absorb C02.

        Which is why when ice caps melt and oceans increase...the warming cycle reverses itself on OUR planet.
        Yes, I hate you.

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        • http://www.astronomynotes.com/solarsys/s9.htm


          Don't post me websites. I've read more books about this than I can count.

          I'm right, period. If you think I'm wrong, please crack a ****************ing book on planetary science Anjinsan, seriously dude, this is getting ridiculous.

          I'm coming off the top of my head and telling you why venus is hotter, I don't need to search google.


          OOOPS.... MAYBE YOU'RE AGREEING WITH ME.....SORRY, DIDN'T EXPECT THAT!

          (I actually clicked the website and saw the greenhouse stuff)

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          • The crux of anjinsan's post:

            "The diamond at the end describes the current state: CO2 maintains the extremely hot temperature. "

            That's what this website says (correctly) is responsible for Venus' high temperature.... which is precisely what I've said all along.

            Anyhow, so yeah.

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            • Cool down r0g, that website basically supported what you said about the greenhouse gases


              Yeah, I edited my post. I'm not used to having someone I'm debating all the sudden agree with me on Guitar Jam.

              I've gotten quite reactionary, especially since I seem to draw controversy in a lot of my posts. Sorry Anjinsan!!

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              • I'm a member of my local astronomical society and coincidentally enough the lecture the other night was on Venus, where much discussion was given over to - surprise surprise - the science behind its runaway greenhouse effect.
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                  I really like chicken.
                  Yes, I hate you.

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                  • I'm a member of my local astronomical society and coincidentally enough the lecture the other night was on Venus, where much discussion was given over to - surprise surprise - the science behind its runaway greenhouse effect.


                    Cool Motorik! My grandmother was an amateur astronomer (she was educated in astronomy at LSU here in Louisiana) and she passed on her passion for it to me....

                    For as long as I can remember I've been way into this stuff, reading every book I could get my hands on.

                    I also owned a few telescopes over the years, but city light makes it kinda frustrating to try and use one. My old house had a streetlight in front of it that would shine right in my eyepiece making it very hard to see anything... I wanted to shoot it out with a bb gun or something....and my back yard was dominated by a huge oak tree.... So my observations were quite limited, though I did get some good looks at the jupiter system and saturn and it's rings.

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                      I really like chicken.


                      I really like HUGE tracts of land.
                      "KA-BONGGGGG!!!"

                      - El Kabong

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                      • My eyes are open and all I see is people polluting the planet... all people must die!!! Time for an "I Am Legend" virus eh?!


                        I'm guessing you're young. It's just a guess, so please don't be offended if I'm wrong.

                        The reason I say this is, in the 70's you could ACTUALLY SEE the air floating over Manhattan and the Boros. It was this Yellowy, Grey funk that would just cling to the sky above. I visited LA a few times back then and the same thing was happening there. It smelled bad too!

                        On top of that, there was trash EVERYWHERE YOUR EYES VIEWED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was so bad, they made a commercial that actually had some impact and is still remembered by many today! I'm talking about the crying Indian.

                        Having been active in the great outdoors my whole life, I can tell you first-hand, there was NO PLACE you would go hiking where you didn't find all sorts of trash, beer cans & bottles. IT WAS EVERYWHERE YOU LOOKED!!!!

                        Let's not even go to the condition of the countries waterways, it was worse than what I've described above.

                        I'll take data and first-hand experiences ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, over what somebody is trying to sell me. Especially when what they're selling flies in the face of common sense and my own actual observations.
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                        • http://www.astronomynotes.com/solarsys/s9.htm

                          He wasn't COMPLETELY wrong. Venus' water never formed into oceans due to being too close to the sun. Oceans absorb C02.

                          Which is why when ice caps melt and oceans increase...the warming cycle reverses itself on OUR planet.


                          Yup, maybe r0g owe's Tomcat a bit of an apology... he really jumped down Tomcat's throat there... I'm just sayin'
                          "KA-BONGGGGG!!!"

                          - El Kabong

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                          • Natural History 2/08.....

                            "For generations Inuit have survived by closely observing the natural world. As the Arctic environment changes, their insights are informing science."


                            "The Arctic climate has always fluctuated, according to studies of ice cores that date back some 400,000 years, from which past temperature and atmospheric conditions can be deduced. But the overwhelming majority of climate scientists agree that the recent changes are almost certainly attributable to global warming. Inuit, too, recognize the Arctic's inherent variability--which they've observed keenly and adapted to over the centuries--and they say that something is indeed very different today. Changes in snow and sea ice conditions, shifts in seasonal calendar, unusual animal behavior--all exceed the familiar range of variability, they say. As a result of their intensive use of the environment, Inuit and other Arctic residents pick up on many subtle changes and intricate connections that scientific instruments cannot detect, and that scientists are just beginning to appreciate and understand."!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

                            Or, you can listen to some internet numbskulls

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                            • I'm guessing you're young. It's just a guess, so please don't be offended if I'm wrong.

                              The reason I say this is, in the 70's you could ACTUALLY SEE the air floating over Manhattan and the Boros. It was this Yellowy, Grey funk that would just cling to the sky above. I visited LA a few times back then and the same thing was happening there. It smelled bad too!

                              On top of that, there was trash EVERYWHERE YOUR EYES VIEWED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was so bad, they made a commercial that actually had some impact and is still remembered by many today! I'm talking about the crying Indian.

                              Having been active in the great outdoors my whole life, I can tell you first-hand, there was NO PLACE you would go hiking where you didn't find all sorts of trash, beer cans & bottles. IT WAS EVERYWHERE YOU LOOKED!!!!

                              Let's not even go to the condition of the countries waterways, it was worse than what I've described above.

                              I'll take data and first-hand experiences ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, over what somebody is trying to sell me. Especially when what they're selling flies in the face of common sense and my own actual observations.


                              No man, I'm not young, I'm just messing with ya! oke:

                              I remember the crying Indian, the garbage barge in NYC, and the LA smog...
                              "KA-BONGGGGG!!!"

                              - El Kabong

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                              • I really like HUGE tracts of land.


                                Huge BONNY tracts of land?!?
                                Yes, I hate you.

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