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  • #61
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9850473

    http://media.npr.org/news/specials/climate/graphics/icecore_graphic.jpg

    NPR is not a conservative pro-industry source...and the article certainly does not read as such.

    BUT...the levels were higher as short as 120,000 years ago.
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    • #62
      The graph is a 20 year period and it shows a steady increase. It also shows a colder global temp in '90 than '08.
      The overall trend is ****************ing obvious.

      Believe whatever you want and then try to find any source you can to support your belief, it's the new American way to knowledge and understanding.

      This is why it MATTERS that kids are taught SCIENCE without political and religeous interference.

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      • #63
        The graph is a 20 year period and it shows a steady increase. It also shows a colder global temp in '90 than '08.
        The overall trend is ****************ing obvious.

        Believe whatever you want and then try to find any source you can to support your belief, it's the new American way to knowledge and understanding.

        This is why it MATTERS that kids are taught SCIENCE without political and religeous interference.


        Which graph is a 20 year period?

        Mine was for a 160,000 year period.

        20 years is a useless sample. It's like counting the grains of sand in a cubic centimeter to accurately come up with the grains of sand in Cape Cod.

        There are so many variables it's enough to make one's head spin.

        and to a previous poster...plants DO emit C02. They die. They release C02 upon death.

        Long and short of it. Global warming IF true...is FAR FAR FAR less scary than global cooling. PERIOD.

        Life LIKES warmth. Life HATES cold.
        Yes, I hate you.

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        • #64
          Which graph is a 20 year period?

          Mine was for a 160,000 year period.

          20 years is a useless sample. It's like counting the grains of sand in a cubic centimeter to accurately come up with the grains of sand in Cape Cod.

          There are so many variables it's enough to make one's head spin.

          and to a previous poster...plants DO emit C02. They die. They release C02 upon death.

          Long and short of it. Global warming IF true...is FAR FAR FAR less scary than global cooling. PERIOD.

          Life LIKES warmth. Life HATES cold.


          I'm referring to the graph in the first article in the initial post. I wasn't addressing your post.

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          • #65
            My sister has a masters degree in chemistry and does not believe the science behind global warming. Would you say that you are more knowledgeable and educated in science than she is?


            No offense but a masters in chemistry hardly qualifies her as an expert. The people studying this stuff, many of them at least, are phd level. They've also been studying this one thing for 40 years.
            Originally Posted by Strings74


            In many ways I agree with Pontius Pilate.









            Originally Posted by Stella Joop


            pontius pilot brings up good points.

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            • #66
              Which graph is a 20 year period?

              Mine was for a 160,000 year period.

              20 years is a useless sample. It's like counting the grains of sand in a cubic centimeter to accurately come up with the grains of sand in Cape Cod.

              There are so many variables it's enough to make one's head spin.

              and to a previous poster...plants DO emit C02. They die. They release C02 upon death.

              Long and short of it. Global warming IF true...is FAR FAR FAR less scary than global cooling. PERIOD.

              Life LIKES warmth. Life HATES cold.

              Most life has a narrow temperature band that it can live in. Life doesn't like change in either direction.
              http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?id=13929
              http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/58730-fluxusbear.mp3







              Originally Posted by Jimmy James


              I'm out of touch with reality.

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              • #67
                Prepare to be barraged with posts akin to "Your sister is not a PhD climatologist so they know better than her!"


                True, I was only referring to roger and his reference to the fact that HE, personally, knows more than the people that he has talked to that don't believe in global warming. I certain understand that their are far more qualified people than my sister who would say that global warming is real and man-made. At the same time there are many qualified people who do not believe in global warming.
                Barack Obama smells like expired yogurt.







                Originally Posted by ChuckyB


                I pretty much believe that if a girl has a vagina, she is 90% of the time worth having sex with.









                Originally Posted by Gainon10


                Freedom is a bitch if you don't have thick skin.

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                • #68
                  No offense but a masters in chemistry hardly qualifies her as an expert. The people studying this stuff, many of them at least, are phd level. They've also been studying this one thing for 40 years.


                  If you would have paid more attention you would have noticed that this was directed at roger who was referring to his personal knowledge and how superior it is when compared to people who do not believe in global warming.
                  Barack Obama smells like expired yogurt.







                  Originally Posted by ChuckyB


                  I pretty much believe that if a girl has a vagina, she is 90% of the time worth having sex with.









                  Originally Posted by Gainon10


                  Freedom is a bitch if you don't have thick skin.

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                  • #69
                    Most life has a narrow temperature band that it can live in. Life doesn't like change in either direction.


                    Life is life.

                    We are VERY adaptable. a degree or two change every 5 decades or so will do nothing to our odds of survival.

                    Compare life in a jungle to life at the North pole.

                    Which area has more?

                    Even a desert has more life than a brutally cold region like a polar ice cap. and water is the key besides warmth so there is that factor.

                    Species adapt too. Maybe not as quickly as humans...but they do evolve. A species dies out for another to take it's place.
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                    • #70
                      Life is life.

                      We are VERY adaptable. a degree or two change every 5 decades or so will do nothing to our odds of survival.

                      Compare life in a jungle to life at the North pole.

                      Which area has more?

                      Humans are generally an exception, but we also have the advantage of clothing, permanent shelter, etc. Many plants can't live outside a certain temperature band. These plants are used frequently to determine the temperature of periods thousands of years ago, since the frequency of their remains in core samples in relation to the remains of other species can strongly suggest what the temperature range used to be in a certain region.
                      http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?id=13929
                      http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/58730-fluxusbear.mp3







                      Originally Posted by Jimmy James


                      I'm out of touch with reality.

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                      • #71
                        Humans are generally an exception, but we also have the advantage of clothing, permanent shelter, etc. Many plants can't live outside a certain temperature band. These plants are used frequently to determine the temperature of periods thousands of years ago, since the frequency of their remains in core samples in relation to the remains of other species can strongly suggest what the temperature range used to be in a certain region.


                        Sure. But without climate and environmental change there'd of never been any humans at all.
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                        • #72
                          Sure. But without climate and environmental change there'd of never been any humans at all.

                          Humans existing is good for humans, not nature in general. And at this point, I'm not sure that climate change would be good for humans either. Nature giveth and nature taketh away.
                          http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?id=13929
                          http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/58730-fluxusbear.mp3







                          Originally Posted by Jimmy James


                          I'm out of touch with reality.

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                          • #73
                            Humans existing is good for humans, not nature in general. And at this point, I'm not sure that climate change would be good for humans either. Nature giveth and nature taketh away.


                            We are either nature's master or we are her most adaptable servants.

                            She is under no threat from us whatsoever imo so I have us as insignifigant creatures that crawl upon her outer layer of skin. So convinced of our importance...so convinced that we are the masters.

                            What can WE do to reverse what the planet has done for billions of years? Nothing. We should really stop pretending. I'm not pro-pollution. I am pro-human. Pollution hurts humans. Not the Earth.
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                            • #74
                              Lets just wipe out 80% of the human population. . .that ought to solve the environmental problems


                              Absolutely.

                              Our very existance causes other species to suffer.

                              That is always the case though. A dominant species is dominant because it is doing much better than the former dominant species'.

                              To ACTUALLY reduce our C02 "footprint" we need to actually reduce our population. Saving 10% in emissions in certain places on the globe while the overall population sky rockets...will still not do a damn thing to reduce our footprint.
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                              • #75
                                Half of the world's reserves? Recently their was a discovery off the coast of Argentina of 2 oil fields with an estimated reserve of 600 BILLION barrels of oil each. That is BILLION.

                                Each field is estimated to be able to sustain the world for 60 years. So their is 120 years worth of oil right there. I am an industry insider and you will not see the media at large cover these kind of finds because it doesn't play well to have good things happen in the energy markets. Assuming we have found half of the worlds reserves when only a fraction of the world has had any exploration is a bit presumptuous.

                                As for the global warming and ice age theories. I personally don't think that man putting a product composed of materials already found on Earth into the atmosphere is going to change the Earth's climate at all (aside from a full blown nuclear war). History tells us that dramatic environmental changes have occured because of great natural disasters such as massive volcanic eruptions or outside agencies such as meteors hitting the earth. Between the two the outside agency has a lasting impact while the natural disasters have traditionally had short term impact on weather patterns.

                                PeAcE


                                Not to mention the reserves in Alaska, off the coast of California and the huge find in Canada 2 years ago.
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