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    I find that following Al Jarreau's lyric and vocal line helps with the phrasing for the riff.




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRbtvRQUi8w





    I practiced the riff, got the chord progression down, and even worked up an R&B treatment of the chords that I thought was kind of slinky. I show up at my lesson, play my stuff, we talk a little bit about hand positioning to get the slurs to work better, and then my teacher says - "yeah, but the thing I really wanted you to get out of this is all the really hip chord substitutions that Chick plays underneath the solos."



    Now my brain hurts ....




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q52r7xMd3U
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfIOuF2o-rY

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    • #3
      Thanks for that Flame. I've never heard that.



      That's how ya take a standard and play with it....Very cool....never understood the McFerrin hate btw.
      "Be regular and orderly in your life so that you may be violent and original in your work" - Gustave Flaubert

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        Quote Originally Posted by rsadasiv
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        and then my teacher says - "yeah, but the thing I really wanted you to get out of this is all the really hip chord substitutions that Chick plays underneath the solos."




        So did he show you the hip subs?
        "Be regular and orderly in your life so that you may be violent and original in your work" - Gustave Flaubert

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          Quote Originally Posted by 3shiftgtr
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          So did he show you the hip subs?




          Same time, next week.
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          • #6
            I can never remember how to play this song. Every time I learn it I stop playing it for a long time and forget how to play it. It really bugs me.
            Yer Blues wrote:I am from the Beavis and Butthead generation.

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            • #7
              I'll probably be playing this tonight. I noticed that if transplanted part of Nuno Bettencourt's solo from "Hip Today, Gone Tomorrow" it works really well over the ii-V-I-IV starting at E-7. Weird, since Nuno's thing is in 7/8. Here it is for anyone who cares.







              Here's a recording of me playing with that and a few other ideas.



              Spain



              While she's talking, I'll use my mind to think of other things. She can't stop my mind!

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              • #8
                This has been an interesting series of threads so far. Keep it up!



                I was at a jazz camp a few years ago. Most teenagers there seemed to be able to burn through Spain.
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                  Quote Originally Posted by Zetor
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                  This has been an interesting series of threads so far. Keep it up!



                  I was at a jazz camp a few years ago. Most teenagers there seemed to be able to burn through Spain.




                  I think it's a pretty easy song to 'burn through', given intermediate skills, but the trick (for me, anyway) is to stop thinking melodically; focus on the rhythms and the harmonic content, and the rest will take care of itself.



                  I hate playing it, though; it's fun, and people like it, but it's tired, I'm sick of hearing it, and it was never a great platform for improvisation or reinvention in the first place, in the way that the best standards are. When I'm playing ""Caravan", i don't feel like I'm in a cover band; with "Spain", I do. It's limited and constraining. I don't mean that as a slight; you could say the same for jazz interpretations of the Beatles or Bach. It's a pop tune.

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                  • Honkridge
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                    Good call. I never was crazy about this tune but, jesus christ, we played this ad nauseum in college.

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                  You can take it as a "shred in D' platform, and a lot of guitarists (and bassists ) do choose to approach it that way. Digging into the Spanish harmony and the Latin rhythm is what I'm more focused on for this week.
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                    Quote Originally Posted by Opposite Day
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                    I'll probably be playing this tonight. I noticed that if transplanted part of Nuno Bettencourt's solo from "Hip Today, Gone Tomorrow" it works really well over the ii-V-I-IV starting at E-7. Weird, since Nuno's thing is in 7/8. Here it is for anyone who cares.







                    Here's a recording of me playing with that and a few other ideas.



                    Spain






                    Very nicely executed. I'm going to try out that riff a little later today.
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                      Quote Originally Posted by rsadasiv
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                      You can take it as a "shred in D' platform, and a lot of guitarists (and bassists ) do choose to approach it that way. Digging into the Spanish harmony and the Latin rhythm is what I'm more focused on for this week.




                      Michel Camilo and Tomatito do a nice take on one of their duet albums, IIRC.



                      YouTube is so reliable sometimes:






                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqYpInWVf4A

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                      • #13
                        and so unreliable other times. :O



                        David Grisman?



                        http://www.rhapsody.com/artist/david...96/track/spain
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                        • #14
                          and so unreliable other times



                          David Grisman's wacky mandolin version?



                          http://www.rhapsody.com/artist/david...96/track/spain
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                            Quote Originally Posted by 3shiftgtr
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                            So did he show you the hip subs?




                            Ok, so you have 2 ii-V-I groups in the chord progression, the first in a major (Em7-A7-Dmaj7) and the second in a minor (C#7-F#7-Bm).



                            Suggested subs major: Am9-D13-G6/9

                            Suggested subs minor: C#m9b5-F#7b9b13-Bm6/9 or C#m9b5-F#7b9b13-Bm(maj7)
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                            • gennation
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                              rsadasiv wrote:
                               
                              QuoteOriginally Posted by 3shiftgtr View Post
                              So did he show you the hip subs?
                              Ok, so you have 2 ii-V-I groups in the chord progression, the first in a major (Em7-A7-Dmaj7) and the second in a minor (C#7-F#7-Bm).

                              Suggested subs major: Am9-D13-G6/9
                              Suggested subs minor: C#m9b5-F#7b9b13-Bm6/9 or C#m9b5-F#7b9b13-Bm(maj7)

                              Don't over think it...

                               

                              Em7-A7-Dmaj7 = B Minor

                              C#7-F#7-Bm = B Minor


                              And all the other chords, yep = B Minor

                              B7 = B Major

                               

                              Learn that Minor to Major move.



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