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    Did you folks hear about this?

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/30/us/kan...ing/index.html

    Apparently a couple of gamers were arguing online, and one threatened to swat the other... and the second gamer gave out a fake address to the first one. The first gamer followed through and arranged to have someone else make a fake hostage / man with a gun call to the police, which resulted in the SWAT team rolling out, and as a result, an unarmed and innocent man was shot and killed by the SWAT team.

    Setting aside the issue of whether or not the SWAT team acted inappropriately by shooting the guy (they said they shot because he moved his hand towards his waistband), my question is, IYO what should happen to the gamer who sought out someone to do a swatting attack? And what about the person who actually did the swatting and placed the fake hostage call? And what should happen to the other gamer who gave out a false address? If he was aware that that person was possibly going to use the information for swatting attack, should he be held accountable too?


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  • #2
    I didn’t realize SWAT had become a verb.

    as far as liability goes, would need more to assess the degree of liability of the individuals involved, but this seems a lot like the girl who encouraged the boy to kill himself over text.
    Last edited by guido61; 12-31-2017, 02:50 PM.
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    • #3
      The guy who did the swatting should be prosecuted big time. The guy who gave him a fake address should not.
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      • The Badger
        The Badger commented
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        The way I understand the story, it's one guy who cooked the whole thing up. Even if he was just one of two people who thought up making a fake crime call to the Kansas police, both of them are conspirators and both deserve to be prosecuted and punished if convicted. This may have started out as a joke, but it got way out of hand.

    • #4
      Swatting and its lethal consequences are not a new thing. The guy who called it in and anyone who helped should be charged as harshly as possible, IMO. It's basically murder when you read the caller's 911 transcript. He came up with a story for the most damage upon police arrival. I'm sure he ruled in how "anxious" some cops can be.

      Police also need to become more aware of this. I know of one streamer who has had this happened enough times that the police in his area have been educated about it and know what's up when they get a call on his address.

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      • The Badger
        The Badger commented
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        The police officers who responded were told there was an armed man who'd poured gasoline all over the house. They took that report at face value and treated the situation as extremely dangerous. They had no idea they were being lied-to, and that the man involved was completely innocent of any wrongdoing.

        I'm not sure what you mean by ''he ruled in how 'anxious' some cops can be.'' I assume you mean he reveled in the idea that he could make police officers nervous enough to go into full-danger mode because of the size of his lies. Maybe the caller did get his jollies, assuming some other poor chap was going to wind up with a lot of explaining to do. Yeah, some folks are sick that way. But that does not excuse setting the victim up for a SWAT raid, knowing that the cops took what he said seriously.

    • #5
      And the cop that was trigger happy should go to jail for involuntary manslaughter. He didn’t mean to kill the guy but it seems he didn’t make any attempt to assess the situation.

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      • The Badger
        The Badger commented
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        The problem with waiting to assess the situation is, by the time you figure out what's real and what isn't, someone could shoot you. As I've said on other posts, the cops were working on the information they had, and using the methods they'd been trained in. Occasionally, as in this case, the result is a tragedy. But would you really have them ''wait and assess'' while guns fire and the house goes up in flames?

      • Turd Furgison
        Turd Furgison commented
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        link to the guy who was killed shooting a gun and the house being on fire when the police arrived?

    • #6
      Dead men tell no tales.
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      • #7
        This is so screwed up on s many levels.

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        • #8
          Wonder what his intent was?
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          • The Badger
            The Badger commented
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            Player A lost a $1.50 bet.
            Player B wanted to collect.
            Player A gave a phony address
            Player B called the police with a phony hostage report.
            Not knowing any better, the cops arrived in force,
            expecting the worst.
            The victim had no idea what was going on.

            The reason, if you can call it that, is "revenge" for losing the bet and the argument.
            The result speaks for itself.
            Last edited by The Badger; 01-01-2018, 10:38 AM.

        • #9
          Yea, I heard of it and every reaction I listened to from people in conversation was about the guy who set up the whole thing and how he should be incarcerated and given the whole 9. Right. My reaction was to ask why deadly force was employed by the bullet-headed SWAT members. It's time we assessed our uniformed services and took them down a notch. The Brits disarmed their beat cops to gain back the public trust. In our situation we need to also do that and prevent idiots from manipulating the cops to do their dirty work, like this instance clearly evidences. An innocent man died because of the cops, not the call.

          But, first, why wasn't the call investigated for probability first? This is grade school (academy) procedure, people. Most times imminent danger is imagined. I'm all for disarming the uniformed services and that will most assuredly prompt them to assess probability. This means smarter people, of course, before they're considered qualified to wear the uniform. I use a Needs Assessment Test I constructed to qualify entry-level mechanics because dirty fingernails, a box full of Snap-On tools and years of shade tree grease-balling does not the mechanic make. The uniformed services, especially the police forces of the world, need to do the same and the first battery of testing involves deep reaching psychological exams. Then comes the uniform accessorized with no weapons.
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          • #10
            Seems like manslaughter would be appropriate.

            What was thing they always used to have on Law & Order? Depraved indifference.
            Last edited by Opposite Day; 12-31-2017, 05:17 PM.



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            • #11
              Originally posted by AxiomVanguard View Post
              Wonder what his intent was?
              Who's intent?
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              • AxiomVanguard
                AxiomVanguard commented
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                Hey Hoddy
                Sorry I should have been more clear; the fellow that made the police report that led to this event...
                Happy New Year to you....

              • Turd Furgison
                Turd Furgison commented
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                he wanted to win an internet argument

              • moogerfooger
                moogerfooger commented
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                Lol

            • #12
              Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post
              Man killed in swatting attack...


              Did you folks hear about this?

              http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/30/us/kan...ing/index.html

              Apparently a couple of gamers were arguing online, and one threatened to swat the other... and the second gamer gave out a fake address to the first one. The first gamer followed through and arranged to have someone else make a fake hostage / man with a gun call to the police, which resulted in the SWAT team rolling out, and as a result, an unarmed and innocent man was shot and killed by the SWAT team.

              Setting aside the issue of whether or not the SWAT team acted inappropriately by shooting the guy (they said they shot because he moved his hand towards his waistband), my question is, IYO what should happen to the gamer who sought out someone to do a swatting attack? And what about the person who actually did the swatting and placed the fake hostage call? And what should happen to the other gamer who gave out a false address? If he was aware that that person was possibly going to use the information for swatting attack, should he be held accountable too?

              At the very least, the gamer who started the whole SWAT raid is guilty of intentionally filing a false report to the police. That would get him in some trouble. Between the gamer who cooked up the SWAT plot and the person who made the call, the two of them are guilty of criminal conspiracy. More to the point, their actions showed reckless indifference that resulted in an unnecessary death. They belongs in jail. After the psychiatrists at the home for the criminally insane are done with him, of course.

              Originally posted by Opposite Day View Post
              Seems like manslaughter would be appropriate.

              What was thing they always used to have on Law & Order? Depraved indifference.
              ''Depraved indifference,'' along with reckless endangerment, would be a suitable charge, all things considered.
              Whoever did this needs to do hard time for causing ''murder by cop.''
              Last edited by The Badger; 12-31-2017, 07:15 PM.
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              • #13
                Originally posted by Idunno View Post
                Yea, I heard of it and every reaction I listened to from people in conversation was about the guy who set up the whole thing and how he should be incarcerated and given the whole 9. Right. My reaction was to ask why deadly force was employed by the bullet-headed SWAT members. It's time we assessed our uniformed services and took them down a notch. The Brits disarmed their beat cops to gain back the public trust. In our situation we need to also do that and prevent idiots from manipulating the cops to do their dirty work, like this instance clearly evidences. An innocent man died because of the cops, not the call.

                But, first, why wasn't the call investigated for probability first? This is grade school (academy) procedure, people. Most times imminent danger is imagined. I'm all for disarming the uniformed services and that will most assuredly prompt them to assess probability. This means smarter people, of course, before they're considered qualified to wear the uniform. I use a Needs Assessment Test I constructed to qualify entry-level mechanics because dirty fingernails, a box full of Snap-On tools and years of shade tree grease-balling does not the mechanic make. The uniformed services, especially the police forces of the world, need to do the same and the first battery of testing involves deep reaching psychological exams. Then comes the uniform accessorized with no weapons.
                First, the guy who thought up the whole thing did so for petty revenge.

                Second, the police who raided the victim's home did not know the whole thing was a sick joke. They took what they were told seriously -- that an armed man was holding hostages. In other words, the situation is dangerous until proven otherwise, and the cops don't take chances.

                Third, the English police have never carried weapons, just whistles to help summon assistance, though nowadays, they carry radios instead.

                Fourth, you're assuming all police officers are untrained idiots. That's nonsense. Police officers have to endure months of training and a year of probation before being fully accepted members of the force. Part of that training includes the assumption that any situation they walk into is going to be dangerous -- an armed felon who is willing and ready to shoot to kill. This isn't "puh-lees stoopiduty," it is standard operating procedure, and even then, some officers are injured or killed during raids.

                I don't know what sort of "needs assessment" you use in deciding whether or not to hire a mechanic, though I suspect in your case, there is at least some personal bias on your part is involved. And the cops? I'm not privy to the entire testing-interviewing-hiring procedure, but I would assume that the battery of tests you mentioned are indeed done, and that some applicants are rejected on the basis of it. Certainly, there are some people who are trigger happy, racist, sadistic, power-mad and any combination thereof on the world's police forces. However, they are doing a tough job involving the worst and most violent people society has to offer. Unless you're willing to try doing it yourself, you might want to cool the rhetoric a bit.

                One more note: When someone with dirty fingernails, a box full of Snap-On tools and years of shade-tree "grease-balling" does apply for a job at your company, instead of conducting a "needs assessment" -- whatever that is -- how about testing him or her on his/her skills and abilities. You might be surprised at how good self-taught mechanics can be.
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                • #14
                  Like so many things, this goes a bit beyond the incident itself. How on earth did we get to the point where a video game can result in a persons death? How are people growing up with this kind of disregard for their fellow man?

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                  • #15
                    When I read the initial reports about this a couple of days ago, they had Tyler Barriss' (the "SWATter") tweets as part of the story. They were so callous and devoid of any kind of empathy, my reactions were, a) he's a sociopath, and b) somebody should just walk him into an alley and end him.

                    In many states, if someone dies during the commission of a felony, the person(s) committing the felony can be charged with first degree murder. Not clear to me that it's so in Kansas, nor is it clear to me if the false report is a felony in Kansas law. The Kansas criminal code I read just now is not clearly written. Certainly, whatever the appropriate felony for loss of life due to willful negligence is the minimum appropriate charge.

                    The crime is so careless and heinous, Barriss is probably looking at whatever the max sentence is for what he did. Give the high profile nature of what happened, and how reviled Barriss is in the public eye, no prosecutor will offer a deal in this case. He's going to get the max available sentence. He's going to pay a very high price for a prank.

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