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  • NYT Reveals Secret Pentagon UFO Program

    It comes as no surprise, but still...wow! Maybe we’re not as alone, or as special, as we thought. I wonder if we’ll make first contact in my lifetime, or if it’s already happened.

    ​​​​​​Before the trolls turn up and make this about Harry Reid, what do you think:

    Do you believe we’re being visited by beings from another galaxy?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/u...arry-reid.html





    Last edited by bluzboy; 12-16-2017, 08:13 PM.

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    Teasing.

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    • #3
      $22m down the drain.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by bluzboy View Post

        Do you believe we’re being visited by beings from another galaxy?
        Of course not. Everything we know about the universe, logic, common sense, all speak against it. Of course what we know about the universe isn't all that much in the scheme of things - but still, it seems astronomically unlikely to me, if you'll pardon the pun.

        I think it completely plausible to assume we aren't the only sentient species out there. However, even assuming this is true, if we assume that the constants hold throughout (E, Planck's constant, General/Special Relativity, etc...) interstellar/intergalactic travel just isn't practicable, even assuming FTL or interdimensional travel. What sentient species would be willing to travel knowing that they would return thousands/millions of years ahead in time?

        And that isn't even touching on the kind of arrogance required to think a species that has achieved interstellar travel would WANT to come to the ass end of a galaxy to check out a primitive species that can barely get out of orbit.
        Last edited by Red Ant; 12-16-2017, 10:04 PM.
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        -- Vaclav Havel

        The Universe is unimaginably vast. For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love.

        -- Carl Sagan


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        -- Joseph Brodsky

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Red Ant View Post

          Of course not. Everything we know about the universe, logic, common sense, all speak against it. Of course what we know about the universe isn't all that much in the scheme of things - but still, it seems astronomically unlikely to me, if you'll pardon the pun.

          I think it completely plausible to assume we aren't the only sentient species out there. However, even assuming this is true, if we assume that the constants hold throughout (E, Planck's constant, General/Special Relativity, etc...) interstellar/intergalactic travel just isn't practicable, even assuming FTL or interdimensional travel. What sentient species would be willing to travel knowing that they would return thousands/millions of years ahead in time?

          And that isn't even touching on the kind of arrogance required to think a species that has achieved interstellar travel would WANT to come to the ass end of a galaxy to check out a primitive species that can barely get out of orbit.
          I think it's pretty much the apex of arrogance to assume the limits of humankind's understanding of space and time represents some sort of universal constant.

          Moreover, I'm sure at least one those gentlemen in your sig would likely beg to differ.

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          • #6
            don't know much about no space invaders, but I am anxious to see that new documentary on how we're shrinking people these says to conserve earth's precious resources. Science!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Red Ant View Post
              $22m down the drain.
              Precisely.
              We could have spent that money on toilet seats for the military.
              Last edited by Hoot Owl; 12-17-2017, 10:18 AM.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by emerson biggens View Post
                don't know much about no space invaders, but I am anxious to see that new documentary on how we're shrinking people these says to conserve earth's precious resources. Science!
                Been there, done that.



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                • #9
                  This quote from the article sums.up the reason it maybe a good investment:

                  While not addressing the merits of the program, Sara Seager, an astrophysicist at M.I.T., cautioned that not knowing the origin of an object does not mean that it is from another planet or galaxy. “When people claim to observe truly unusual phenomena, sometimes it’s worth investigating seriously,” she said. But, she added, “what people sometimes don’t get about science is that we often have phenomena that remain unexplained.”
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                  • 1001gear
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                    Yeah, like existence itself. I think off world beings is a pretty good bet.

                • #10
                  I have an open mind on UFO's.

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                  • #11
                    "China and Russia are much more open and work on this with huge organizations within their countries. Smaller countries like Belgium, France, England and South American countries like Chile are more open, too. They are proactive and willing to discuss this topic, rather than being held back by a juvenile taboo.”

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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by bluzboy View Post

                      Do you believe we’re being visited by beings from another galaxy?
                      Another galaxy?

                      Probably not. Too far.

                      This galaxy? Plausible.
                      Last edited by BA.Barcolounger; 12-17-2017, 11:15 AM.

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                      • #13
                        It's not aliens that we need to be worried about, lads. It's lizard people.

                        I'm telling ya. . .

                        They took over the Carndonagh to Ardara bus route earlier this year. Not pretty, busses running bang on time, little old ladies being left stranded in hailshowers at the side of the road etc.

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                        • #14
                          Originally posted by Red Ant View Post

                          Of course not. Everything we know about the universe, logic, common sense, all speak against it. Of course what we know about the universe isn't all that much in the scheme of things - but still, it seems astronomically unlikely to me, if you'll pardon the pun.

                          I think it completely plausible to assume we aren't the only sentient species out there. However, even assuming this is true, if we assume that the constants hold throughout (E, Planck's constant, General/Special Relativity, etc...) interstellar/intergalactic travel just isn't practicable, even assuming FTL or interdimensional travel. What sentient species would be willing to travel knowing that they would return thousands/millions of years ahead in time?
                          That's an important distinction. Even if faster than light travel is possible, to where interstellar travel could take place in a reasonable amount of time, there's still time dilation which means that once they returned to their home planet it would be thousands or millions of years later, even though time for them was only a couple of years.
                          And that isn't even touching on the kind of arrogance required to think a species that has achieved interstellar travel would WANT to come to the ass end of a galaxy to check out a primitive species that can barely get out of orbit.
                          There is the possibility that an alien species might be looking for another home planet because their sun is going to go supernova soon. They might find our planet a suitable planet B.
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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by gismo recording View Post
                            That's an important distinction. Even if faster than light travel is possible, to where interstellar travel could take place in a reasonable amount of time, there's still time dilation which means that once they returned to their home planet it would be thousands or millions of years later, even though time for them was only a couple of years.

                            There is the possibility that an alien species might be looking for another home planet because their sun is going to go supernova soon. They might find our planet a suitable planet B.
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