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  • Ted Cruz just accidentally explained America's gun problem.

    In this press conference Cruz says 'evil is evil is evil and will use the weaponry available'...this is exactly what people for sensible gun control have been saying for years...you do away with that available weaponry.. you make it harder for them to commit the kinds of mass killings that occurred in Texas and Las Vegas.

    https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Te...455652773.html
    Roll Tide!!!!!

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    Cruz is just trying to pull out the old "if he didn't have a gun he'd have used a car or a bomb!" line with no proof whatsoever that these type of shooters would actually use other means.

    True, most of them end up getting shot up themselves (part of their fantasy they are playing out apparently), but among those who have lived, is there any record of any of them ever saying that, if they couldn't have used a gun, they'd have blown up the church or the school or the mall with a bomb or attacked everyone with a car or a knife?

    To insist that the ONLY thing going on here was a mindless focus on killing as many people as he could inside that church and that if not for a gun, he'd have used something else because the ONLY thing he cared about was making sure those people died---

    ---I 100% believe that completely misunderstands the mindset of at least most of these crazies.



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    • #3
      Originally posted by guido61 View Post

      True, most of them end up getting shot up themselves (part of their fantasy they are playing out apparently), but among those who have lived, is there any record of any of them ever saying that, if they couldn't have used a gun, they'd have blown up the church or the school or the mall with a bomb or attacked everyone with a car or a knife?
      Have you heard them say, I had that gun so I just had to use it, if I didn't have that gun I would have been a normal law abiding citizen? They have something wrong upstairs and need to get help for it. They would use any weapon they could.
      Last edited by TrumpIsGreat; 11-06-2017, 07:53 PM.

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      • Yakburger
        Yakburger commented
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        Right. And if that nut job showed up with a handful of knives he wouldn't have killed or wounded over 40 people
        Last edited by Yakburger; 11-06-2017, 09:29 PM.

    • #4
      Originally posted by TrumpIsGreat View Post

      Have you heard them say, I had that gun so I just had to use it, if I didn't have that gun I would have been a normal law abiding citizen? They have something wrong upstairs and need to get help for it.
      Nope. The gun doesn't drive them to do what they did. But it's part of the fantasy they have in their heads. I believe it's at least as much about SHOOTING UP people as it is killing them.


      They do have something wrong upstairs. Something that, very often, includes a sick fascination with guns and/or shooting up people.

      The problems with the arguments that Cruz is trying to make are these:

      1) most of these people ARE law-abiding citizens until they do this one act. Most get their guns legally. Most live their lives pretty much by the book. So to argue that they are criminal minds with criminal intent is wrong as well.

      2) since I don't believe the United States has any monopoly on crazy people, logic would tell us that we would see these "using other means" acts happening with similar frequency as do our gun mass killings in other countries. We don't. Logic tells me that, without the access to the gun, their crazy gets dissipated by some other means.

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      • #5
        Originally posted by Hoddy View Post
        In this press conference Cruz says 'evil is evil is evil and will use the weaponry available'...this is exactly what people for sensible gun control have been saying for years...you do away with that available weaponry.. you make it harder for them to commit the kinds of mass killings that occurred in Texas and Las Vegas.
        Based on your logic and on recent events, it sounds like we'd better get rid of trucks and pressure cookers too, since criminals have utilized them as "available weaponry."

        You're not going to remove greed, mental illness and evil from the world any time soon - and until you do that, people will continue to find ways to hurt / kill their fellow humans - even if we waved a magic wand and eliminated every single firearm from the face of the planet.


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        • Tom Hicks
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          The number of recent mass murders via pressure cookers truly shocks the conscience of America. Thanks for putting the focus in the debate where it belongs.

        • gubu
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          False equivalence, Phil. Respectfully

      • #6
        Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post

        Based on your logic and on recent events, it sounds like we'd better get rid of trucks and pressure cookers too, since criminals have utilized them as "available weaponry."


        You're not going to remove greed, mental illness and evil from the world any time soon - and until you do that, people will continue to find ways to hurt / kill their fellow humans - even if we waved a magic wand and eliminated every single firearm from the face of the planet.
        One of the primary and more involved things that take place in any criminal investigation is looking into the background and motive of the killer. Why? Because knowing such things like whether one is a political terrorist or a nutcase trying to get revenge on his ex-wife is important both for looking for possible accomplices and working to prevent such killings in the future.

        The more and more these things happen, we can see that there is an obvious and real correlation between the political terrorists who are fine using whatever means necessary--and maybe even prefer to use trucks and pressure cookers over guns in many instances--and the crazy lone nutcases who clearly have a shoot-em-up fantasy they are working out in their minds.

        But, for some reason, there are those who seem intent on ignoring these obvious and important distinctions and just want to throw all mass killers into the same basket.

        I think this is both irresponsible and potentially dangerous. Not to mention illogical based on recent events.



        Last edited by guido61; 11-07-2017, 11:04 AM.
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          ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

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          • #8
            Except there my have been many mistakes made that may have at lest kept this fool from getting his hands on firearms. Apparently his military crimes which got him discharged were never reported to the FBI by the Air Force*, so he was not in the national database, and was essentially flying under the radar...but the State of Texas [the pro-2nd stalwart] refused him a permit to carry...one has to wonder what that was based on.

            It is, however, virtually impossible to prevent all these shootings by legal owners, because, here, as in the case of Paddock in Las Vegas, he was a 'legal' gun owner, no public history of violence, no criminal convictions, no mental health issues on file, and all his weaponry were therefore purchased legally. Yet he snapped...why? We don't know for certain and never will, because that secret died with him.

            * I heard this morning that across all branches of the military only ONE case of domestic abuse was reported to the FBI this year. ONE!
            That can't be right...the military mentality of protecting their own is about to come under very harsh scrutiny, I will wager.
            To all the JAGs who fail to report crimes to the FBI for database inclusion: thank you for your disservice to the American people.
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            • #9
              Originally posted by Hoddy View Post
              Ted Cruz just accidentally explained America's gun problem.

              In this press conference Cruz says 'evil is evil is evil and will use the weaponry available'...this is exactly what people for sensible gun control have been saying for years...you do away with that available weaponry.. you make it harder for them to commit the kinds of mass killings that occurred in Texas and Las Vegas.

              https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Te...455652773.html
              You could say that, but in this day and age, there are so many guns in circulation that it would be all but impossible to find and confiscate them all. The black market usually has them available if you know where to look. Then again, these days you can even ''print'' a gun with the right kind of 3D printer.
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              • #10
                As we all know: Nobody ever murdered anybody before guns were invented.

                Current global warming temperature trend: 0.05ºC per decade, plus or minus 0.1ºC (source: UN IPCC AR5) ...Yes, the error rate is higher than the estimated rate of change.

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                • RogueGnome
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                  I know.
                  A trip to the dry cleaners could have provided him with all the plastic bags he needed to suffocate 26 people. Thanks for playing, rb.

              • #11
                Originally posted by daddymack View Post
                Except there my have been many mistakes made that may have at lest kept this fool from getting his hands on firearms. Apparently his military crimes which got him discharged were never reported to the FBI by the Air Force*, so he was not in the national database, and was essentially flying under the radar...but the State of Texas [the pro-2nd stalwart] refused him a permit to carry...one has to wonder what that was based on.

                It is, however, virtually impossible to prevent all these shootings by legal owners, because, here, as in the case of Paddock in Las Vegas, he was a 'legal' gun owner, no public history of violence, no criminal convictions, no mental health issues on file, and all his weaponry were therefore purchased legally. Yet he snapped...why? We don't know for certain and never will, because that secret died with him.

                * I heard this morning that across all branches of the military only ONE case of domestic abuse was reported to the FBI this year. ONE!
                That can't be right...the military mentality of protecting their own is about to come under very harsh scrutiny, I will wager.
                To all the JAGs who fail to report crimes to the FBI for database inclusion: thank you for your disservice to the American people.
                I have a pretty good feeling the tax payers are going to be paying big time, I imagine they have 26 or so wrongful death lawsuits headed their way. I t be nice to see the payouts come out of the USAF budget but somehow I doubt that's what will happen.
                Last edited by NOS68; 11-08-2017, 01:37 AM.

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