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  • So evidently MAGA involves hiring foreigners.

    So ole trumpy's all for the American working class right? Then can one of his supporters explain this....

    "The Trump Organization has won the permission to hire 70 foreign workers to serve as maids, cooks and servers for the 2017-2018 tourist season, according to data from the U.S. Labor Department."
    https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.c...-at-mar-a-lago

    How people can lap his BS up and think it's ice cream is beyond me. Look at his actions people not his words.

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    Make Trump Great Again
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    • #3
      This is what winning looks like.
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      • #4
        Trumpers will rationalize this by thinking this is a great move to keep money in his own pocket while making sure to completely block out how this is the opposite of his "America First" slogan. Because he's so concerned about saving money for himself, surely he'll be interested in saving money for "poorly educated" Joe Shmoes out there, too! Or that after eight years of Trump they'll be able to hire their own foreign workers because it's all going to trickle down any day now..

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        • #5
          What's the complaint? H-2b visas don't save the employer any money, and they are only allowed for seasonal or short-term work.

          https://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs78c.htm

          The H-2B employer must pay its H-2B workers and workers in corresponding employment at least the wage rate specified in the job order. That wage rate must be at least the highest of the prevailing wage rate obtained from the Employment and Training Administration (ETA) or the applicable Federal, State, or local minimum wage.
          Given the legal and administrative costs of filing for the H-2b visas, it doesn't make sense to use them unless you really can't find qualified employees to hire.
          "The historical experience of socialist countries has sadly demonstrated that collectivism does not do away with alienation but rather increases it, adding to it a lack of basic necessities and economic inefficiency." ------------------ Pope John Paul II

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          • Tom Hicks
            Tom Hicks commented
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            I think the complaint is mr. Hyper Patriot favored hiring foreigners over Americans.

            I suggest that people ignore what Trump says and pay a lot of attention to what he does.

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          tRump...making america great for foreign workers.
          Roll Tide!!!!!

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          • #7
            Originally posted by Snowden View Post
            Trumpers will rationalize this by thinking this is a great move to keep money in his own pocket while making sure to completely block out how this is the opposite of his "America First" slogan. Because he's so concerned about saving money for himself,
            Please explain how H-2b visas save money for an employer. Review the legal requirements spelled out in the link in post #5 above and tell us precisely how the process works, and how a H-2b employee can be hired at a lower wage rate than any other employee.
            Last edited by SteinbergerHack; 11-05-2017, 09:15 AM.
            "The historical experience of socialist countries has sadly demonstrated that collectivism does not do away with alienation but rather increases it, adding to it a lack of basic necessities and economic inefficiency." ------------------ Pope John Paul II

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            • #8
              Originally posted by SteinbergerHack View Post
              What's the complaint? H-2b visas don't save the employer any money, and they are only allowed for seasonal or short-term work.

              https://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs78c.htm



              Given the legal and administrative costs of filing for the H-2b visas, it doesn't make sense to use them unless you really can't find qualified employees to hire.
              With all the BS he spews about bringing jobs back maybe up the pay for the job to make them more attractive to Americans.

              This is no different than his manufacturing his clothing line overseas, classic do as I say not as I do IOW hypocrisy.

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              • #9
                Originally posted by NOS68 View Post
                With all the BS he spews about bringing jobs back maybe up the pay for the job to make them more attractive to Americans.

                This is no different than his manufacturing his clothing line overseas, classic do as I say not as I do IOW hypocrisy.
                No, it really is a different matter. Yes, there is definitely hypocrisy in his statements on trade, but the H-2b requires a wage at or above the prevailing wage as determined by the DoL, so it's not a way to cut costs or drive local wages down. Offshoring, OTOH, is all about total costs reduction (including materials, taxes, capital availability, etc., not just labor).

                Note that the unemployment rate in Palm Beach is 3.6%, which is effectively full employment. If there are already enough jobs for all of the available employees, where do you get more?
                "The historical experience of socialist countries has sadly demonstrated that collectivism does not do away with alienation but rather increases it, adding to it a lack of basic necessities and economic inefficiency." ------------------ Pope John Paul II

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                • #10
                  Originally posted by NOS68 View Post

                  With all the BS he spews about bringing jobs back maybe up the pay for the job to make them more attractive to Americans.

                  This is no different than his manufacturing his clothing line overseas, classic do as I say not as I do IOW hypocrisy.
                  I've heard of businesses that raise prices just before declaring a huge sale, bringing the prices down to the original level. Same thing could be done with the compensation of foreign workers, i.e. lower the wage just before arranging for the visas. He may be a f****** moron in the way just about anything works, but he'd be right there in sync with any suggested way to shaft the other guy.
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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by SteinbergerHack View Post

                    No, it really is a different matter. Yes, there is definitely hypocrisy in his statements on trade, but the H-2b requires a wage at or above the prevailing wage as determined by the DoL, so it's not a way to cut costs or drive local wages down. Offshoring, OTOH, is all about total costs reduction (including materials, taxes, capital availability, etc., not just labor).

                    Note that the unemployment rate in Palm Beach is 3.6%, which is effectively full employment. If there are already enough jobs for all of the available employees, where do you get more?
                    How about from other states instead of other countries? If you're going to talk the talk be prepared to walk the walk.

                    Everything you say I believe but when you're President optics matter. Especially when you're a yuuugggeee blowhard whose main platform was bringing jobs back to Americans.
                    Last edited by NOS68; 11-05-2017, 12:01 PM.

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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by thankyou View Post
                      I've heard of businesses that raise prices just before declaring a huge sale, bringing the prices down to the original level. Same thing could be done with the compensation of foreign workers, i.e. lower the wage just before arranging for the visas.
                      Prevailing wage doesn't work that way. The DoL sets the prevailing wage for the job category based on all of the businesses in the area, not just the one requesting the hisa. Mar-a-Lago isn't exactly the only golf course, hotel, or country club in West Palm Beach, so the lower wage limit will be driven by all of his competitors.
                      Last edited by SteinbergerHack; 11-05-2017, 12:00 PM.
                      "The historical experience of socialist countries has sadly demonstrated that collectivism does not do away with alienation but rather increases it, adding to it a lack of basic necessities and economic inefficiency." ------------------ Pope John Paul II

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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by NOS68 View Post
                        How about from other states instead of other countries? If you're going to talk the talk be prepared to walk the walk.
                        If people from Georgia want to drive to West Palm Beach to look for a job, they certainly can - and they would likely be hired before an H-2b candidate becauer they would be cheaper and not require as much federal paperwork.

                        The fact is, though, that people from other states aren't applying for jobs in that area, while people from other countries are. That has more to do with the prospective employees than with the employer.

                        Everything you say I believe but when you're President optics matter.
                        True, and Trump's optics started out rather badly and have gone downhill from there. The old saying goes: "When you find yourself in a hole, it helps if you first stop digging."

                        I just have a problem with the press and ideologues mis-representing the reality of the work visa programs.
                        "The historical experience of socialist countries has sadly demonstrated that collectivism does not do away with alienation but rather increases it, adding to it a lack of basic necessities and economic inefficiency." ------------------ Pope John Paul II

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                        • Tom Hicks
                          Tom Hicks commented
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                          People commonly assume that the first rule of holes is to stop digging deeper.

                          actually the first rule is to recognize when you are in fact in a hole.

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                        The bottom line is he's hiring foreign workers, whether it costs him more or less is irrelevant. He has pushed hire American hard for a long time now.

                        "We currently have 5,136 qualified candidates in Palm Beach County for various hospitality positions listed in the Employ Florida state jobs database," CareerSource spokesman Tom Veenstra said Friday."

                        If he can't find 70 people in the entire US to fill these positions maybe he needs a new hiring manager or no one wants to work for his pos ass. Either way just another example of him talking out of both sides of his mouth.
                        Last edited by SexWithRobots; 11-05-2017, 12:11 PM.

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                        • #15
                          Originally posted by SteinbergerHack View Post
                          What's the complaint? H-2b visas don't save the employer any money, and they are only allowed for seasonal or short-term work.

                          https://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs78c.htm



                          Given the legal and administrative costs of filing for the H-2b visas, it doesn't make sense to use them unless you really can't find qualified employees to hire for the wages and benefits you are willing to pay.
                          Fixed, as true that Trump must pay them at least minimum wage, apparently legal residents in that particular market require a higher wage to fill those positions.

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