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    Alabama high school must stop praying using loudspeaker at football games.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/26...all-games.html

    Fox news. Why do christians feel compelled to broadcast their superstitions to the entire world? If they are praying to protect the players from harm, it seems a bit futile since they believe their god controls everything. Do they believe they can change god's "mind? Can't they pray silently in their seats? Their dogma says that their god hears all prayers and knows what everyone is thinking 24/7. I am just seeking intelligent and coherent rebuttals of why people disagree with the ruling. The beat goes on.

    Seems like the audiences could circumvent the ruling by having one of them recite a prayer from the stands with others joining in.
    Last edited by capitalist; 10-26-2017, 06:52 PM.
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  • #2
    I don't know about prayer in public school in order to ensure the football team's victory,
    but I don't think anyone can prevent this:


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    • #3
      how is God supposed to hear them over the din of the crowd?

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      • #4
        Prayers sent.

        LOL!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by capitalist View Post
          Can't they pray silently in their seats? Their dogma says that their god hears all prayers and knows what everyone is thinking 24/7. I am just seeking intelligent and coherent rebuttals of why people disagree with the ruling.
          If it's a state-operated school, then I think the ruling is appropriate (though I fail to see why anyone gives a rip in the first place).

          Here's the core issue as I understand it. If the town voted for a school board that is unanimously in favor of non-denominational prayer at such events, isn't thus the result of democracy in action? Nobody is being forced to pray, and nobody is being forced to make or support any statement of faith, so there is no coerciom or mandate from the state. The idea that allowing a student or group of students to make a statement of their own over the PA is somehow "establishment of religion" is, IMO, pretty silly - about as silly as making a big deal of praying at a sporting event.
          Last edited by SteinbergerHack; 10-27-2017, 06:53 AM.
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          • #6
            christians don't ever do as their savior commands

            they're doing it all wrong.

            "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SteinbergerHack View Post

              If it's a state-operated school, then I think the ruling is appropriate (though I fail to see why anyone gives a rip in the first place).

              Here's the core issue as I understand it. If the town voted for a school board that is unanimously in favor of non-denominational prayer at such events, isn't thus the result of democracy in action? Nobody is being forced to pray, and nobody is being forced to make or support any statement of faith, so there is no coerciom or mandate from the state. The idea that allowing a student or group of students to make a statement of their own over the PA is somehow "establishment of religion" is, IMO, pretty silly - about as silly as making a big deal of praying at a sporting event.
              If there are 20 jewish students, 10 Muslim students and 5 atheist students. Those students would be forced to listen to Christian prayers.

              Just because there weren't enough of them to secure a school board seat.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by The Badger View Post
                I don't know about prayer in public school in order to ensure the football team's victory,
                but I don't think anyone can prevent this:


                My sophomore year at Notre Dame I roomed with a starting offensive lineman from the football team. The night before a test he would go to the Grotto, light a candle, and pray that he wouldn't get caught cheating the next day.
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                • RogueGnome
                  RogueGnome commented
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                  priceless!

                • capitalist
                  capitalist commented
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                  He is probably a US Senator today!

              • #9
                Originally posted by capitalist View Post
                Alabama high school cannot say prayers at football games over loudspeakers.

                Alabama high school must stop praying using loudspeaker at football games..
                Schools don't say prayers; people do.
                To you I'm an atheist; but to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.

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                • #10
                  Does the outcome of a football game depend upon how well the team plays or how loud they pray?
                  Last edited by Fred Fartboski; 10-27-2017, 09:05 AM.
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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by moogerfooger View Post
                    christians don't ever do as their savior commands

                    they're doing it all wrong.

                    "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
                    When I pray, I don't want rewarded, Being a good person and finding peace and patience and glimpses of wisdom are their own reward. I mostly say "thank you".

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                    • #12
                      I recall when I spoke out against the ground zero mosque on this forum, and it seemed like God-hating crusaders crawled out of the woodwork to come to their defense.

                      Apparently the religion traditionally associated with this country is nothing more than a pagan ritual, yet the religion of our enemy should be nurtured and encouraged.

                      sigh.....

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                      • bluzboy
                        bluzboy commented
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                        LOL. Wut?

                      • RogueGnome
                        RogueGnome commented
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                        Seemed like.
                        No link.
                        Yawn.

                    • #13
                      Originally posted by emerson biggens View Post
                      I recall when I spoke out against the ground zero mosque on this forum, and it seemed like God-hating crusaders crawled out of the woodwork to come to their defense.

                      Apparently the religion traditionally associated with this country is nothing more than a pagan ritual, yet the religion of our enemy should be nurtured and encouraged.

                      sigh.....

                      I don't have a problem with churches, Mosques or any other places of worship. I do have a problem with school led prayer which is a violation of our 1st amendment.
                      Roll Tide!!!!!

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                      • Jasaoke
                        Jasaoke commented
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                        Have you read the first amendment?

                      • The Badger
                        The Badger commented
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                        God doesn't bother me, though I would like Him to explain why he did what he did to my mother. It's religious fanatics who drive me crazy. Between the insistence and the hypocrisy, I see no reason why I should join their club, and I say so. Yet they insist...

                      • The Badger
                        The Badger commented
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                        Originally posted by Jasaoke
                        Have you read the first amendment?
                        I'm more interested if the "Prayer In School" and "Christian Nation" crowd have read the whole First Amendment. Or the whole Bible, for that matter. For some reason, I get the feeling they've only read the bits and pieces that make it sound like they may do as they wish; forget the other parts that limit or contradict their views.

                    • #14
                      Originally posted by Hoddy View Post

                      I don't have a problem with churches, Mosques or any other places of worship. I do have a problem with school led prayer which is a violation of our 1st amendment.
                      well, why stop half way? Shouldn't students be prohibited from wearing crosses, or bringing bibles to school? If you really live and die by that 1st amendment right that bars religion from gvmt. sanctioned enterprises - shouldn't we just be banning those Christian students from public schools, lest they soil the non-believers? I don't get why you're willing to compromise on a point that is obviously causing you so much pain and suffering.

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                      • #15
                        Originally posted by emerson biggens View Post

                        well, why stop half way? Shouldn't students be prohibited from wearing crosses, or bringing bibles to school? If you really live and die by that 1st amendment right that bars religion from gvmt. sanctioned enterprises - shouldn't we just be banning those Christian students from public schools, lest they soil the non-believers? I don't get why you're willing to compromise on a point that is obviously causing you so much pain and suffering.

                        Reductio ad absurdum

                        Originally posted by RobRoy
                        There is an "honest grit" to his lying.
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