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  • Thomas Friedman tells the generals to give Trump ultimatum

    A very hard hitting open letter to Mattis. Friedman says the generals need to tell Trump that if things don't change, they will leave en masse. "It's the only way to talk to a bully." He says that things are moving so fast that one stupid decision now can lead to yuuuuge problems in the near future.

    The video has an interesting segment at first about Friedman's analysis of the big technological changes of 2007 - the iPhone, Facebook, Twitter.
    New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman, author of "Thank You for Being Late: An Optimist's Guide to Thriving in the Age of Accelerations," joins "CBS This Morning" to discuss his latest column, "General Mattis, Stand Up to Trump or He'll Drag You Down." His book, which describes how the forces of technology, globalization and climate change are shaping the world today, is available on paperback.
    Last edited by thankyou; 10-25-2017, 08:08 AM.
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    Wellllll, it's a grandiose idea, but I don't think Mattis would listen to a New York Times columnist. And frankly, if Mattis and the generals were to send that letter to Trump, it would scare the sh*t out of me. Trump is unstable and unreasonable, unable to comprehend a serious situation. He would probably defy the letter, and then if all the generals did step down, we would be in worse danger than we are now. Soooooo, I'm not sure exactly what the goal is here...

    Dealing with a 4-year-old schoolyard bully is different than dealing with a 70-year-old who has gotten his way throughout his life and recently had his every move legitimized in a national election that he believes he won by a yuuuge landslide.
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    • #3
      He might have a point, but Thomas Friedman lost any credibility he might have had with his cheerleading for the invasion of Iraq.

      Besides, Kelly has already given us a taste of where the generals stand.

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      • #4
        We've given the keys to global catastrophe to a mentally ill, reality television star, who is also showing signs of dementia.

        Elections have consequences.
        Last edited by HAMMER TOSS; 10-25-2017, 12:23 PM.

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        • #5
          The generals can stay. The CIC needs to go.
          The ultimatum ought better to be invoking the 25th Amendment.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by HAMMER TOSS View Post
            We've given the keys to global catastrophe to a mentally ill, reality television star, who is also showing signs of dementia.

            Elections have consequences.

            He's been showing the signs since at least 2015, so it's not like this is a surprise or anything.

            He's the same unhinged lunatic millions voted for.


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            Last edited by bluzboy; 10-25-2017, 12:34 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by bluzboy View Post


              He's been showing the signs since at least 2015, so it's not like this is a surprise or anything.

              He's the same unhinged lunatic millions voted for.


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              Let's remember- this is what Trump voters wanted: Break the system.
              Because it wasn't working. No forethought whatever as to how it would be rebuilt.
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              • bluzboy
                bluzboy commented
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                "Never mind the Constitution, gimme a hat...and a hood."

            • #8
              Asking generals to give Trump an ultimatum is scary.
              What Trump would do if he got that ultimatum is scarier.
              Who Trump appointed to be generals afterwards is even scarier.
              Sometimes it's best not to tease the orange bear.
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              • New Trail
                New Trail commented
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                I don't think you "appoint" generals, you promote them.

              • The Badger
                The Badger commented
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                In Trump's case, I doubt there's a difference, especially if Trump revives the old British custom of allowing wealthy people to buy military commissions. If you hand over enough money and ask politely, POOF! You're a general!

            • #9
              Originally posted by RogueGnome View Post
              Let's remember- this is what Trump voters wanted: Break the system.
              Because it wasn't working. No forethought whatever as to how it would be rebuilt.
              Or if it would be rebuilt. Remember the mess Geo'ge Dubya Shrub left in Iraq
              when he failed to plan for the occupation and rebuilding? If you think the
              Islamic militants who came out of that were bad, wait 'til you see the damage
              the home-grown crazies will cause.
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              Face it Tea Bagging Neo-Cons...if Reagan ran today, you'd be calling him a RINO socialist! -- scott666

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              • #10
                For us who have been in the service, there is one thing and one thing only, and it includes the highest rank. There is only one commander in chief, and you do exactly what He tells you to do. You never ever question your leaders direct command. There have been plenty of examples, just look at Pickets charge. People who have never been in the service have some strange idea that humans have a say in what they can do in the service, nothing could be more wrong when it comes to the service. When I was in Paris Island going through boot camp there was a private who had been there for years, never graduating, because he wouldn't obey his commanding officer, in that case, his Drill instructor. So he spent years being railed on. The concept is hard to understand, but believe me, the moment you get off the bus you know you are in for a ride. And they will break you if you even try to. By the end, if your squad leader tells you to jump, you don't even ask him how high, you jump as high as you can. The generals are no different, they report to one person and one person only. A lifer in the military takes orders and carries those orders out, the military can't work any other way. We all knew about, hurry up and wait, wait, wait, for your orders, then go do it, never question it.
                Last edited by TrumpIsGreat; 10-26-2017, 03:45 PM.

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                • bluzboy
                  bluzboy commented
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                  "There is only one commander in chief, and you do exactly what He tells you to do."

                  The Donald is my shepherd, I shalt not want...

                  LOL.

                • New Trail
                  New Trail commented
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                  That's a scary thought!

              • #11
                Originally posted by The Badger View Post
                Asking generals to give Trump an ultimatum is scary.
                What Trump would do if he got that ultimatum is scarier.
                Who Trump appointed to be generals afterwards is even scarier.
                Sometimes it's best not to tease the orange bear.

                Exactly. From where I sit, Friedman is way off here.
                Trump isn't going to change because people threaten to quit.
                There are plenty of people waiting in the wings to take those jobs; hell, we've already seen the White House play musical chairs with most of these positions. The adults in the room need to stay in the room and do the best they can with the lame hand of cards they were dealt.
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                Reprehensible as it was, gassing was a conventional and accepted method for execution at the time. It is a stretch to equivocate the two.

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                • #12
                  Originally posted by TrumpIsGreat View Post
                  When I was in Paris Island going through boot camp there was a private who had been there for years, never graduating, because he wouldn't obey his commanding officer, in that case, his Drill instructor. So he spent years being railed on.it.
                  I call bull****************. The Marines would discharge such a recruit -- and know how to spell Parris.
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                  • capitalist
                    capitalist commented
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                    He misspelled Pickett's too, but perhaps he was in a rush and did not proofread.

                • #13
                  Originally posted by arf-boy View Post

                  I call bull****************. The Marines would discharge such a recruit -- and know how to spell Parris.
                  Call it what you want but it happened, December 1968, 3rd Marines, Parris Island (thanks for the spelling correction). I have no idea what the Corps finally did with him, but I went to camp Pendleton and then to Vietnam. You can believe it or not, I don't care, no skin off my back, have yourself a great morning.
                  Last edited by TrumpIsGreat; 10-26-2017, 06:53 AM.

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                  • Telecruiser
                    Telecruiser commented
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                    Yep, I remember leaving for my draft physical from the Oceanside bus station. What a thrill.

                • #14
                  Originally posted by arf-boy View Post

                  I call bull****************. The Marines would discharge such a recruit -- and know how to spell Parris.
                  I was wondering when someone would call him on that. He says he was triggered earlier on by someone who questioned his validity. But hey, he listed a bunch of Marine/VN stereotypes in just one post, so we, you know, we just have to believe him.

                  My veteran friends would have been asking him what his MOS and unit were and where he he was stationed in his tours. But we must not trigger. Must not.
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                  • #15
                    Praise Jesus, I can see!

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