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    Wow just watched some speeches today on the senate floor from Republicans condemning the direction of the Republican party and our current president even going so far as saying they will be resigning and not running in 2018. They are eating themselves alive, Bob Corker tore into Trump earlier as well.

    My question is what changed? How did we elect Trump with such dissatisfaction from the public and politicians? Has partisan politics finally reached its breaking point?
    Last edited by SexWithRobots; 10-24-2017, 01:30 PM.

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    Originally posted by SexWithRobots View Post
    Wow just watched some speeches today on the senate floor from Republicans condemning the direction of the Republican party and our current president even going so far as saying they will be resigning and not running in 2018. They are eating themselves alive, Bob Corker tore into Trump earlier as well.

    My question is what changed?
    Republicans fed their supporters half truths to outrage and motivate their base. Trump came along and stole their lemmings by feeding them all lies. Now the establishment Republicans are on the receiving end of the monsters they created. Trying to win them back will reveal how hypocritical they are.
    Originally posted by nedezero1;
    Good. More lib fake news correspondents need to be assaulted when they get too pushy.
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    • AxiomVanguard
      AxiomVanguard commented
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      Very True...Great Post...

  • #3
    I don't believe that the country is truly ready for bi-partisan cooperation.
    Yet.
    They haven't hit bottom yet.
    (although with Trump, it's hard to imagine anyone getting hurt diving out the window.)
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    • #4
      Nice to see Corker finally being the Republican unafraid of Trump... it took him long enough. I was expecting this back in Jan/Feb.... Not long after the inauguration, when it had become clear Trump would not be starting to act presidential, that his handlers could not keep him in line, and that he would continue to work against America's role as world leader, SNL ran the skit below. McCain has maybe fit the role, but he still hasn't used Trump's name. Now Corker uses Trump's name finally. Well, fine Reps, if you want to boot out all your centrists and run a bunch of Bannonites in 2018, then maybe you'll be handing a few seats to Dems. Go for it.

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      • #5
        The civil war is primarily between the moderate/"country club"/ main street/ business wing of the party and the nationalist/tea party/evangelical/"values voters" wing.

        Since the business wing is allied more closely to Big Money, they should have the advantage in the War.
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        • #6
          The President is our only nationally elected official. Every prior president, regardless of party and faction, has at least TRIED to be the president for all the people and not speak and act in a strictly partisan manner.

          Trump is not only intent on being partisan, but to lead from one narrow faction of his party. He’s The Man for 30% of the people and seems intent on shoving this narrow agenda down the throats of the rest of us. Including a large portion of his own party
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          • #7
            Originally posted by SexWithRobots View Post
            Wow just watched some speeches today on the senate floor from Republicans condemning the direction of the Republican party and our current president even going so far as saying they will be resigning and not running in 2018. They are eating themselves alive, Bob Corker tore into Trump earlier as well.

            My question is what changed? How did we elect Trump with such dissatisfaction from the public and politicians? Has partisan politics finally reached its breaking point?
            Draining the swamp is a dirty business, both sides get hit from time to time. Makes for dramatic and sometimes interesting politics. My bet, is that Pelosi is history in 2018 too. Twelve months ago I was glued to the scene, nowadays, not so much, let the natural pruning take place. Except for California and New York, the country overwhelmingly voted Trump, he hasn't hidden his platform under a bushel. He told us what he wants and he is doing what he said. Come 2020 he will be voted back in office because he is working for all the people, not for his pockets or the pockets of the politicians. He is doing a fantastic job so far, despite all the media and political opposition. I haven't had any hope for my kids future until 12 months ago thanks to president Trump. Mark my words, our kids will have great health care before too long. At least they don't have to pay a penalty for not being able to afford the aca.
            Last edited by TrumpIsGreat; 10-24-2017, 03:03 PM.

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            • Tom Hicks
              Tom Hicks commented
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              Its true that Trump won the square miles while Clinton merely had more people voting for her.

          • #8
            Corker's response to Trumps tweet attacks this morning was a classic burn.

            #AlertTheDayCareStaff
            Last edited by BA.Barcolounger; 10-24-2017, 03:01 PM.

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            • #9
              Originally posted by SexWithRobots View Post
              Wow just watched some speeches today on the senate floor from Republicans condemning the direction of the Republican party and our current president even going so far as saying they will be resigning and not running in 2018. They are eating themselves alive, Bob Corker tore into Trump earlier as well.

              My question is what changed? How did we elect Trump with such dissatisfaction from the public and politicians? Has partisan politics finally reached its breaking point?
              The Democrats are in a similar situation - they have an identity crisis, and the party is split between the old guard and the more liberal elements. Witness the struggle over who would lead the DNC, as well as the many Sanders-supported candidates running against the old guard candidates in the primaries...

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              - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

              "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

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              • #10
                Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post

                The Democrats are in a similar situation - they have an identity crisis, and the party is split between the old guard and the more liberal elements. Witness the struggle over who would lead the DNC, as well as the many Sanders-supported candidates running against the old guard candidates in the primaries...
                ​Name them so we'll know.
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                • #11
                  Originally posted by Tom Hicks View Post
                  The civil war is primarily between the moderate/"country club"/ main street/ business wing of the party and the nationalist/tea party/evangelical/"values voters" wing.

                  Since the business wing is allied more closely to Big Money, they should have the advantage in the War.

                  Replace "nationalist/tea party/evangelical/"values voters"" with "democratic socialist / progressive", and IMHO the statement holds true for the Democrats too.

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                  "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

                  - George Carlin

                  "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

                  - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                  "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

                  - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                  • Tom Hicks
                    Tom Hicks commented
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                    I think your humble opinion is off base and I'll tell you why. The Ds haven't allowed their fringe elements to run the party. Whereas the the kooks and extremists on the right side of the aisle has made the big inroads.

                • #12
                  Originally posted by fretmess View Post

                  ​Name them so we'll know.
                  Perez vs Ellison for the chair of the DNC - Sanders was backing Ellison.

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                  "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

                  - George Carlin

                  "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

                  - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                  "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

                  - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                  • #13
                    Oh, and as far as the primaries...

                    http://observer.com/2017/06/progress...ent-democrats/

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                    "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

                    - George Carlin

                    "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

                    - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                    "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

                    - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                    • #14
                      Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post

                      Perez vs Ellison for the chair of the DNC - Sanders was backing Ellison.
                      I thought you were talking about mid term races not the DNC Chair.
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                      • Phil O'Keefe
                        Phil O'Keefe commented
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                        You probably missed my follow-up post, directly above this one - we were posting at the same time...

                      • fretmess
                        fretmess commented
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                        I did.

                    • #15
                      Originally posted by fretmess View Post

                      I thought you were talking about mid term races not the DNC Chair.
                      I mentioned both as examples of the identity crisis / schism the Democratic party is currently going through.
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                      "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

                      - George Carlin

                      "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

                      - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                      "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

                      - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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