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    Just finished reading an interesting article about the Values Voter Summit, the burgeoning alliance between the Evangelical Trump supporters and the Economic Nationalists, and why Evangelicals support Trump in the first place.

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...lliance-215713


    Not much here that most of us who following politics probably didn't already know, but it does beg one question for me to ask:

    I get that Evangelicals have decided to overlook Trump's personal behavior and the fact that he probably isn't even really a Christian (as they traditionally like to define one, anyway) and get behind him because they see him as brash street-fighter who is going to fight for the issues and values that they support.

    But isn't there a big risk associated with Dealing with the Devil? Assuming you all know who this guy actually is and what he is actually all about, at what point have you sold your own souls for the hope that this completely craven, immoral, unethical huckster is going Make America Great Again (as you all define "Great America")?
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  • #2
    Evangelicals would suck Satan's deek if it gave them more power.

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    • Phil O'Keefe
      Phil O'Keefe commented
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      As the person who reported this rightfully noted, can you imagine the outcry if you made a similar statement about Muslims or Jews?

      See you in three months.

    • LARRY L
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      Boy you are faster than my electric fly zapper!

    • Hoot Owl
      Hoot Owl commented
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      I dunno. Three months seems a little severe for an incorrect spelling.

  • #3
    Trump seems to be the American Jesus. He's the culmination of everything Americans have warped Jesus into being.
    He's in your face and unapologetic just how they like their religion. He says easily repeatable and consumable passages via Twitter. He makes the "I got mine" attitude acceptable because Jesus wanted it that way and if you are lacking something it's only because you haven't prayed hard enough. He talks about doing good (didn't he say the other month he was going to donate like a million of his own money to something and hasn't done so yet?) and talking about doing good is just enough to make it to heaven.

    He's just greed and ignorance with a thin Christian veneer. IMO.
    Last edited by Snowden; 10-15-2017, 10:15 AM.

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    • #4
      Christians are quick to give up their souls. It’s what they do

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      • #5
        Hmmm...... I guess I should have realized this would quickly devolve into a Christian-bashing thread. Not my intent.

        I was sincerely trying to ask the Evangelical Trump supporters on this forum how they feel about the the bargain with the devil that they have cast. I know there are many evangelicals who truly believe that Trump is a good, Christian man. I've met many of these people. But it doesn't seem we have many, if any, of those here.

        My take is the evangelicals on our forum are all pretty cognizant of who Trump really is. So I'm genuinely curious as to how they have come to terms with putting their support behind who is, in all likelihood, the most un-Christian, most immoral and most unethical man to yet hold the office of POTUS?
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        • #6
          His tweets do sound like talking in tongues.

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          • #7
            Look how fast liberals/progressives denounced and moved to punish Weinstein. Compare that with evangelicals still cozying up to Trump.
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            • bluzboy
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              Apples and oranges, IMO. Much lower stakes and no ones interests being served in your example. But the enormous hypocrisy of the right really has no parallel. The closest I could come up with are the tears being shed for Comey on the left. But even that is easily understandable, as his firing clearly shows Drumf’s intent to obstruct justice.

          • #8
            dont think you'll find too many of them on this forum

            first, it's filled with dirty rock musicians -

            second, many of them are still using their computers as word processors, and only see the internet when they visit their grandchildren

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            • #9
              Originally posted by Tom Hicks View Post
              Look how fast liberals/progressives denounced and moved to punish Weinstein. Compare that with evangelicals still cozying up to Trump.
              Locker Room Church.
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              Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you.

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              • #10
                Originally posted by moogerfooger View Post
                Christians are quick to give up their souls. It’s what they do
                Is this kind of bigotry a function of White Buddhism? Or is it just your thing?



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                • #11
                  Originally posted by guido61 View Post
                  Hmmm...... I guess I should have realized this would quickly devolve into a Christian-bashing thread. Not my intent.

                  I was sincerely trying to ask the Evangelical Trump supporters on this forum how they feel about the the bargain with the devil that they have cast. I know there are many evangelicals who truly believe that Trump is a good, Christian man. I've met many of these people. But it doesn't seem we have many, if any, of those here.

                  My take is the evangelicals on our forum are all pretty cognizant of who Trump really is. So I'm genuinely curious as to how they have come to terms with putting their support behind who is, in all likelihood, the most un-Christian, most immoral and most unethical man to yet hold the office of POTUS?
                  Your charge of 'Christian bashing' is misguided.

                  You're confusing the sort of Fundamentslists who support trump with Christians.
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                  • #12
                    Originally posted by guido61 View Post
                    Just finished reading an interesting article about the Values Voter Summit, the burgeoning alliance between the Evangelical Trump supporters and the Economic Nationalists, and why Evangelicals support Trump in the first place.

                    http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...lliance-215713


                    Not much here that most of us who following politics probably didn't already know, but it does beg one question for me to ask:

                    I get that Evangelicals have decided to overlook Trump's personal behavior and the fact that he probably isn't even really a Christian (as they traditionally like to define one, anyway) and get behind him because they see him as brash street-fighter who is going to fight for the issues and values that they support.

                    But isn't there a big risk associated with Dealing with the Devil? Assuming you all know who this guy actually is and what he is actually all about, at what point have you sold your own souls for the hope that this completely craven, immoral, unethical huckster is going Make America Great Again (as you all define "Great America")?
                    Agreed 100%.

                    While I can't see very many of the Democrats appealing to the evangelical Christian voting base, Trump seems like an even worse fit Nothing he does, IMO, expresses Christian values in any way, shape or form. JMO, YMMV.
                    "The historical experience of socialist countries has sadly demonstrated that collectivism does not do away with alienation but rather increases it, adding to it a lack of basic necessities and economic inefficiency." ------------------ Pope John Paul II

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                    • #13
                      Originally posted by guido61 View Post
                      Hmmm...... I guess I should have realized this would quickly devolve into a Christian-bashing thread. Not my intent.

                      I was sincerely trying to ask the Evangelical Trump supporters on this forum how they feel about the the bargain with the devil that they have cast. I know there are many evangelicals who truly believe that Trump is a good, Christian man. I've met many of these people. But it doesn't seem we have many, if any, of those here.

                      My take is the evangelicals on our forum are all pretty cognizant of who Trump really is. So I'm genuinely curious as to how they have come to terms with putting their support behind who is, in all likelihood, the most un-Christian, most immoral and most unethical man to yet hold the office of POTUS?
                      Yeah, no surprises there. Having never supported Trump I can't really answer the question, but I will say it's strongly discouraged for Christians to question the sincerity of another's confession of faith. That's for God to judge. As amusing as the two Corinthians remark was, I don't think it necessarily betrays any insincerity. There are lots of Christians whose Bible chops are pretty rusty. I know if I were undertaking a job I was unprepared for, where hundreds of millions of people were relying on me I would be praying pretty hard for whatever wisdom I could get.

                      A good portion of the left's caterwauling does kinda just fade into white noise though. It's the stuff they say about every republican. Racist, stupid, death-loving, the devil... etc.. From that perspective I suppose hating with insufficient zeal can appear to be support. I will pray for Trump to be successful in improving the conditions of the country the same way I did for Obama.



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                      • #14
                        Originally posted by Opposite Day View Post

                        Yeah, no surprises there. Having never supported Trump I can't really answer the question, but I will say it's strongly discouraged for Christians to question the sincerity of another's confession of faith. That's for God to judge. As amusing as the two Corinthians remark was, I don't think it necessarily betrays any insincerity. There are lots of Christians whose Bible chops are pretty rusty. I know if I were undertaking a job I was unprepared for, where hundreds of millions of people were relying on me I would be praying pretty hard for whatever wisdom I could get.

                        A good portion of the left's caterwauling does kinda just fade into white noise though. It's the stuff they say about every republican. Racist, stupid, death-loving, the devil... etc.. From that perspective I suppose hating with insufficient zeal can appear to be support. I will pray for Trump to be successful in improving the conditions of the country the same way I did for Obama.

                        I can't disagree with much of this except to say that I really don't think it's going out too far on a limb to question Trump's sincerity about his faith. The man has a well-documented 70-year history of both being very insincere about everything except making a name for himself and making money off his name, and behaving in a most un-Christian-like manner both in his personal life and his business dealings.

                        While I certainly never questioned whether Obama was actually a Muslim or such silliness that others engaged in, I also figured he was probably overstating his devotion to Christianity for political expediency. That's pretty much Politics 101 in America. But in Trump's case, his recent embrace of Christianity was both so clumsy and transparent that it's hard for me to believe that ANYone bought the schtick.

                        And I would think that true Christians would be able to see through it better than others. So my question remains: presuming they KNOW the guy is the devil but whom they believe can deliver the goods for them---doesn't this come with any personal risk for them?

                        Are they trying to convince themselves he IS a good man and a real Christian as cover for when and if it all blows up in their face? Or is it about seeing this as a last-ditch effort to turn the tide of secularism and as such they are willing to take their chances with even Donald Trump?
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                        • #15
                          Originally posted by guido61 View Post


                          I can't disagree with much of this except to say that I really don't think it's going out too far on a limb to question Trump's sincerity about his faith. The man has a well-documented 70-year history of both being very insincere about everything except making a name for himself and making money off his name, and behaving in a most un-Christian-like manner both in his personal life and his business dealings.

                          While I certainly never questioned whether Obama was actually a Muslim or such silliness that others engaged in, I also figured he was probably overstating his devotion to Christianity for political expediency. That's pretty much Politics 101 in America. But in Trump's case, his recent embrace of Christianity was both so clumsy and transparent that it's hard for me to believe that ANYone bought the schtick.

                          And I would think that true Christians would be able to see through it better than others. So my question remains: presuming they KNOW the guy is the devil but whom they believe can deliver the goods for them---doesn't this come with any personal risk for them?

                          Are they trying to convince themselves he IS a good man and a real Christian as cover for when and if it all blows up in their face? Or is it about seeing this as a last-ditch effort to turn the tide of secularism and as such they are willing to take their chances with even Donald Trump?
                          Yeah, he definitely exhibits the exact opposite of what you'd expect a Christian demeanor to be, humble and gracious.



                          While she's talking, I'll use my mind to think of other things. She can't stop my mind!

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