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  • #46
    Originally posted by RobRoy View Post
    From the NFL official rules:
    " The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
    During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses."
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markmeckler/2017/09/oops-look-whats-nfl-official-rule-book/#KmwJ7cuBewi28k7g.99


    This is the problem with the first picture. People go to a football game to get AWAY from politics. This is why you avoid it at football games. It's why, as a band, you don't play protest songs at corporate events and weddings.

    I'm not a fan of professional sports, but this is gonna be fun to watch play out. The people will make their position clear. You will see it in how well the NFL does financially this year.
    http://www.snopes.com/must-nfl-players-stand/

    No such rule exists.

    Stop lying.
    Last edited by BA.Barcolounger; 09-27-2017, 03:06 PM.

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    • Phil O'Keefe
      Phil O'Keefe commented
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      If his source is in error, then point out where, how and why. Don't assume he's lying (or worse, outright accuse him of lying) just because he cited a source that was incorrect.

    • BA.Barcolounger
      BA.Barcolounger commented
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      Phil, the NFL rule does not exist. And i posted a link that proves that it does not exist.

      I did not call him a liar. There is a difference between calling out a person and calling out a statement made by that person. I did the latter.

    • RobRoy
      RobRoy commented
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      Sorry guys, but you and snopes are barking up the wrong tree. This is snopes being snopes on controversial issues. i.e. they are partisan.

      See the link to TIME in my post number 20. It's in the game operations rules.

      http://www.harmonycentral.com/forum/...9#post32069519

  • #47
    Originally posted by guido61 View Post

    I'm not talking about who identifies with, or understands a particular label. I'm talking about how many people agree with the ideology and are willing to vote for candidates that support it.
    I'm being challenged when trying to understand what you mean by the words, "the ideology".
    All text I enter is my opinion. If I feel it necessary to prove it, I'll back it up with links.

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    • #48
      Originally posted by guido61 View Post
      Actually, he won largely because of the opposite. Most of us have an "immature fratboy" streak that runs through us and Trump appeals to that. Who among us HASN'T enjoyed some "locker room talk" from time to time? Trump brought that to the national stage and a lot of people enjoyed it enough to vote for him for that very reason. And the rest who voted for him simply didn't care.

      So if you want to talk about our culture getting WORSE....look no further than Donald Trump. The irony that HE is the man who is going to 'bring back' old school respect and values to America is almost too laughable to stomach. It'd be like electing Jenna Jameson as president on a platform of restoring virtue.

      One thing to note about the "Trump vs Trumpism" thing? Trump won in November. Not Trumpism. Trumpism won last night in Alabama, but can it win anywhere else?
      The only part there I think I agree with is the part about the culture getting worse. I kinda see Trump as the right fighting fire with fire. The left is used to apologetic "tail between their legs and trying to look like goody two shoes" republicans. Bullies walk all over that kind of person.

      Bullying no longer works because we hired our own bully. You should watch the movie, "My BodyGuard" some time. Think of the Adam Baldwin character as a "shy" Trump for the right. And the left is going nuts that their only weapon, bullying, is failing not only with trump, but with empowered republicans and conservatives all over the country. We're in a new era. The NFL may be the first major casualty.

      This is why 2016 was more interesting than 2015, and 2017 is a lot more interesting than 2016. And 2018 is going to be bang-up more interesting than 2017.
      All text I enter is my opinion. If I feel it necessary to prove it, I'll back it up with links.

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      • #49
        Originally posted by RobRoy View Post
        I'm being challenged when trying to understand what you mean by the words, "the ideology".
        Try harder then. Even the folks in Rio Linda can probably figure this one out without the need for charts and graphs.
        Last edited by guido61; 09-28-2017, 11:53 AM.
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        • #50
          Originally posted by guido61 View Post

          Try harder then. Even the folks in Rio Linda can probably figure this one out without the need for charts and graphs.
          I guess I'm just stupid like that.
          All text I enter is my opinion. If I feel it necessary to prove it, I'll back it up with links.

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          • #51
            WXIA-TV in Atlanta looked through the NFL Rule Book and here's what they found:

            The rule book only asks players to be on the field ten minutes before the game.
            There is nothing at all said about standing for the National Anthem.

            To verify this content, we first looked at the NFL's 2017 Official Playing Rules. Nowhere in the 2017 rulebook does the NFL mention the National Anthem. Pages 62 and 63 contain information on the enforcement of fouls.

            source:
            http://www.11alive.com/news/local/ve...them/478347794
            It appears that someone is mistaken in his understanding of NFL rules.
            Or maybe it's just more "fake news" that isn't recognized as such because
            Trump said it was "true."

            Now I ask you, who "disrespects the flag and the nation" more,
            player who doesn't stand up, or a president who won't shut up?
            Last edited by The Badger; 09-29-2017, 12:43 AM.
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            • #52
              Its like this and like that and like this and like

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              • #53
                Originally posted by The Badger View Post
                WXIA-TV in Atlanta looked through the NFL Rule Book and here's what they found:

                The rule book only asks players to be on the field ten minutes before the game.
                There is nothing at all said about standing for the National Anthem.



                It appears that someone is mistaken in his understanding of NFL rules.
                Or maybe it's just more "fake news" that isn't recognized as such because
                Trump said it was "true."

                Now I ask you, who "disrespects the flag and the nation" more,
                player who doesn't stand up, or a president who won't shut up?
                Time magazine had a different take. And if one actually reads the entire Snopes article, It concurs mostly with the time article.

                What this whole thing about the rules is, is an exercise in debating minutia for the sake of debating. Respectable news sources are even all over the place on this thing.

                And at the end of the day, it completely misses the point, anyway. It's a distraction from the main issue, which itself is a distraction.

                On a side note, now some are blaming the russians. No, I'm not kidding.

                Check out NPR's Morning Edition broadcast from this morning when it hits their site. They said Russian bots are tweeting on both sides of the issue to divide us.
                All text I enter is my opinion. If I feel it necessary to prove it, I'll back it up with links.

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                • #54
                  Originally posted by RobRoy View Post

                  i.e. just wait'll next year. A lot of things are coming to a head here and there. Some big, some small. but there does seem to be something really big on the horizon. This can't go on forever. It eventually reaches critical mass.We are clearly in a "cold" civil war right now.
                  Tell us more about the really big thing on the horizon. Is it the "full scale revolution" you predicted way more than a year ago? Is it Obama suspending elections and becoming dictator, again way more than a year ago?

                  Forced nationalism, whether it be official like in N. Korea or the Soviet Union (or that Godwin place), or through social pressure like it is here, is just kinda creepy.
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                  Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you.

                  ...Pericles

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                  • #55
                    Originally posted by RobRoy View Post
                    A country with multiple, and contradictory, major cultures within its borders will not survive.
                    How do you anticipate the elimination of this cultural threat will play out? Re-education camps? Special concentration camps? Mass deportations? How, oh how will we ever be able to cleanse our society?
                    ..................................................
                    Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you.

                    ...Pericles

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                    • #56
                      Originally posted by thankyou View Post
                      Tell us more about the really big thing on the horizon. Is it the "full scale revolution" you predicted way more than a year ago? Is it Obama suspending elections and becoming dictator, again way more than a year ago?

                      Forced nationalism, whether it be official like in N. Korea or the Soviet Union (or that Godwin place), or through social pressure like it is here, is just kinda creepy.
                      It's happening right now before our eyes. We got our civil war, but it is a "cold" civil war. So far.
                      All text I enter is my opinion. If I feel it necessary to prove it, I'll back it up with links.

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                      • #57
                        Originally posted by RobRoy View Post


                        On a side note, now some are blaming the russians. No, I'm not kidding.

                        Check out NPR's Morning Edition broadcast from this morning when it hits their site. They said Russian bots are tweeting on both sides of the issue to divide us.
                        The Russians aren't concerned with our political grappling. They (Putin) are interested in dominating the world. They just found that one party had nominated a useful narcissist they felt they could manipulate, a man who had grown old, but not grown up.
                        ..................................................
                        Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you.

                        ...Pericles

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                        • #58
                          Originally posted by thankyou View Post
                          The Russians aren't concerned with our political grappling. They (Putin) are interested in dominating the world. They just found that one party had nominated a useful narcissist they felt they could manipulate, a man who had grown old, but not grown up.
                          That is why I thought it was so funny.
                          All text I enter is my opinion. If I feel it necessary to prove it, I'll back it up with links.

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