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  • #31
    "There is no indication that Kushner has shared any sensitive or classified material on his private account "

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    • #32
      Since many on the left have tried to tell us repeatedly that Hillary did nothing wrong / illegal with her handling of the emails and home-based server, I am just shocked that anyone thinks Jared did anything wrong.

      Hypocrisy works both ways.

      If Jared did even half the stuff Hillary did in terms of how he handled emails and classified information, he should be investigated and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Period. Full-stop.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by rbstern View Post

        If it is, it will be unjustified, unless:

        1) Emails containing state secrets were sent, received, and/or forwarded.

        2) The private email server was kept in a private residence closet, and not actively monitored for hacking activity.

        3) The server was maintained by a contractor who did not have appropriate security clearance and/or sufficient training to appropriately harden the server against cyber attacks.

        If Jared's email situation mimics HRC's, he should be strung up by his Buster Browns. But he's not SecState, so it's gonna be a stretch. It's unlikely he was privy to emails containing intelligence op info.
        First of all, the specific location of a private, non government owned or secured server is irrelevant, and while Hillary shared her server only with Bill Clinton, Powell shared his AOL server with possibly millions, not to mention that his account was hacked by a Romanian hacker named Gucifer. Yet despite that and that Powell destroyed all of his work related emails he was never investigated.
        Hillary on the other hand, kept and provided records of her work related emails, and FBI Director Comey testified before a Congressional Committee that no emails on Hillary's server were marked classified as required by law, and that it would not have been reasonable for anyone to have expected someone in her position with her training to have thought any of the emails on her server to have been classified.

        I'm glad to have been able to clear that up for you, and if there's anything else, just let me know.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Grumpy_Polecat View Post
          "There is no indication that Kushner has shared any sensitive or classified material on his private account "
          Don't you remember? What if they become classified later on???
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post
            If Jared did even half the stuff Hillary did in terms of how he handled emails and classified information, he should be investigated and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Period. Full-stop.
            So... no prosecution at all then?

            The various statutes in play that I remember talking about all require knowing/willful/negligent disclosure of classified information to unauthorized people.

            And with zero emails containing classification headers, it would be hard to make a case that she knew, even if there was disclosure.

            So yeah, probably not a lot going on here, but let's investigate anyways. Best to be sure.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by BadDaddy View Post

              First of all, the specific location of a private, non government owned or secured server is irrelevant, and while Hillary shared her server only with Bill Clinton, Powell shared his AOL server with possibly millions, not to mention that his account was hacked by a Romanian hacker named Gucifer. Yet despite that and that Powell destroyed all of his work related emails he was never investigated.
              Hillary on the other hand, kept and provided records of her work related emails, and FBI Director Comey testified before a Congressional Committee that no emails on Hillary's server were marked classified as required by law, and that it would not have been reasonable for anyone to have expected someone in her position with her training to have thought any of the emails on her server to have been classified.

              I'm glad to have been able to clear that up for you, and if there's anything else, just let me know.
              If, after years of hearings and investigations, the GOP couldn't hang hilarity, then it's likely one of several things.

              1) the GOP is a feckless lot
              2) no crime was committed
              3) the hilarity stuff was political theatre
              4) all the above


              I'm going with #4

              As for Jared, we haven't had years of investigations and hearings. How will this play out? You can bet the GOP will do nothing.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by BadDaddy View Post
                First of all, the specific location of a private, non government owned or secured server is irrelevant,
                Really? Are you a networking expert? How much experience do you have with secure data center technology? Routers? Active firewalls? Passive firewalls? Hacking methodologies? Residential telco service signaling infrastructure?

                Originally posted by BadDaddy View Post
                and while Hillary shared her server only with Bill Clinton, Powell shared his AOL server with possibly millions, not to mention that his account was hacked by a Romanian hacker named Gucifer. Yet despite that and that Powell destroyed all of his work related emails he was never investigated.
                But...but...but...Powell! Hey, go after him. If he broke the same laws, so be it.

                Hillary on the other hand, kept and provided records of her work related emails, and FBI Director Comey testified before a Congressional Committee that no emails on Hillary's server were marked classified as required by law, and that it would not have been reasonable for anyone to have expected someone in her position with her training to have thought any of the emails on her server to have been classified.
                From factcheck.org:
                Did Clinton’s emails contain classified information?
                Yes. More than 2,000 of the 30,490 emails Clinton turned over to the State Department in December 2014 contained classified information, including 110 emails in 52 email chains that contained classified information at the time they were sent or received, Comey said. The FBI director said “a very small number” of the emails containing classified information “bore markings indicating the presence of classified information,” contrary to Clinton’s claims that none was marked classified.

                I'm glad to have been able to clear that up for you, and if there's anything else, just let me know.
                Truth (rather than HRC propaganda) would be helpful, but otherwise, thanks.


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                • #38
                  Originally posted by rbstern View Post

                  Really? Are you a networking expert? How much experience do you have with secure data center technology? Routers? Active firewalls? Passive firewalls? Hacking methodologies? Residential telco service signaling infrastructure?



                  But...but...but...Powell! Hey, go after him. If he broke the same laws, so be it.



                  From factcheck.org:
                  Did Clinton’s emails contain classified information?
                  Yes. More than 2,000 of the 30,490 emails Clinton turned over to the State Department in December 2014 contained classified information, including 110 emails in 52 email chains that contained classified information at the time they were sent or received, Comey said. The FBI director said “a very small number” of the emails containing classified information “bore markings indicating the presence of classified information,” contrary to Clinton’s claims that none was marked classified.



                  Truth (rather than HRC propaganda) would be helpful, but otherwise, thanks.
                  While I'm certainly not an networking expert, I have interfaced with government servers weekly for over 20 years, and have had my system analyzed and secured by a few IT engineers, so I'm pretty familiar with how it works. Also, the physical location of a server has absolutely no effect on how secure a system is, as they are compromised electronically and not physically, though as the private server Hillary used was originally installed for former President Bill Clinton when he left office, and he and Hillary receives 24/7 secret service protection I'm guessing the hardware was safe.

                  Instead of posting a comment about 1000's of classified emails that Hillary was supposed to have had on her private server, why not read the transcripts of the testimony that FBI Director James Comey gave while under oath before a Congressional Committee on 7/07/16 where he clearly testified that there were no emails on Hillary Clinton's server that were marked as classified in there headers, which is required by law for all classified materials? 14. Emails were not properly classified
                  Asked about the three documents with the “c” markings suggesting that the lines included classified information, Comey told Rep. Matt Cartwright (D-Pa.) that they were not properly marked in accordance with the State manual.
                  “According to the manual, if you’re going to classify something, there has to be a header on the document, right?” Cartwright asked, to which Comey responded in the affirmative.
                  Asked whether there was a header that contained the “c” in the text, Comey said the “c” denoting classified material “was in the body in the text but there was no header on the email or in the text.”
                  “So if Secretary Clinton really were an expert at what's classified and what’s not classified and we're following the manual, the absence of a header would tell her immediately that those three documents were not classified,” Cartwright remarked. “Am I correct in that?”
                  Comey called it a “reasonable inference.”
                  http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...n-email-225224

                  The facts are that when it was first determined that three former Secretaries of State (Powell, Rice, & Clinton) had used private non government secured servers to conduct government business, and that when the government requested copies of all work related emails from the three, and that despite that Hillary Clinton was the only one of the three that complied by providing 55,000 pages of emails, that she was the only one of the three that was investigated, why was that?
                  Last edited by BadDaddy; 09-25-2017, 01:09 PM.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by rbstern View Post
                    From factcheck.org:
                    Did Clinton’s emails contain classified information?
                    Yes. More than 2,000 of the 30,490 emails Clinton turned over to the State Department in December 2014 contained classified information, including 110 emails in 52 email chains that contained classified information at the time they were sent or received, Comey said. The FBI director said “a very small number” of the emails containing classified information “bore markings indicating the presence of classified information,” contrary to Clinton’s claims that none was marked classified.
                    None of those were actually classified. The portion markings were left in error.

                    Zero Clinton server emails contained classification headers.

                    FBI director Comey agreed in congressional testimony that it would be a reasonable inference for an expert in classification to believe that nothing was classified.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by willhaven View Post
                      None of those were actually classified. The portion markings were left in error.

                      Zero Clinton server emails contained classification headers.

                      FBI director Comey agreed in congressional testimony that it would be a reasonable inference for an expert in classification to believe that nothing was classified.
                      It's time to give it up already. This has been explained---in excruciating detail---numerous times to the same few posters here who just keep ignoring it and going back to "thousands of emails had classified information!" as if they keep repeating it often enough while closing their eyes and clicking their red slippers together it will magically come true.
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                      • #41
                        Uh, Oh!

                        Looks like Jared isn't the only one!

                        At Least 6 White House Advisers Used Private Email Accounts
                        https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/u...er-bannon.html
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post
                          Hypocrisy works both ways.

                          .

                          Who is being hypocritical? Which post do you take as a serious call to "LOCK HIM UP! " like we have heard about Hillaryfor seven years? I see a bunch of sarcasm. You must interpret somebody's post differently than I do. This is the only thread about this and not much traffic in it.
                          Last edited by harrycox1; 09-25-2017, 06:45 PM.
                          Originally posted by nedezero1;
                          Good. More lib fake news correspondents need to be assaulted when they get too pushy.
                          http://www.harmonycentral.com/forum/...nches-reporter


                          The emails giveth and the emails taketh away

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                          • #43
                            I don't know about you kids, but I'm old enough to remember when using a private server for government business was just about the worst thing anyone could do!

                            Not only that, I can even remember before that - back to when it wasn't a big deal at all!!

                            It's hard to keep up with the changing fashions.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by slodge View Post
                              Uh, Oh!

                              Looks like Jared isn't the only one!

                              At Least 6 White House Advisers Used Private Email Accounts
                              https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/u...er-bannon.html


                              "it is not illegal for White House officials to use private email accounts as long as they forward work-related messages to their work accounts so they can be preserved."

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by guido61 View Post
                                It's time to give it up already. This has been explained---in excruciating detail---numerous times to the same few posters here who just keep ignoring it and going back to "thousands of emails had classified information!" as if they keep repeating it often enough while closing their eyes and clicking their red slippers together it will magically come true.
                                Well, there was classified information, it just wasn't marked as it should be, and it would be reasonable to infer that an expert in classified information wouldn't have expected them to be classified without those headers.

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