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  • #46
    Originally posted by guido61 View Post
    "Freedom outpost"?
    Ignore that one - the second link is US News & World Report, which has a bit more credibility. That said, it's in the opinion section.
    "The historical experience of socialist countries has sadly demonstrated that collectivism does not do away with alienation but rather increases it, adding to it a lack of basic necessities and economic inefficiency." ------------------ Pope John Paul II

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    • #47
      Originally posted by SteinbergerHack View Post

      Ignore that one - the second link is US News & World Report, which has a bit more credibility. That said, it's in the opinion section.

      And it also wasn't accusing the fact-check sites of inaccuracy, but of having bias based on which stories they choose to fact check. I ignored it because it didn't really seem relevant.
      Last edited by guido61; 09-17-2017, 04:18 PM.
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      • #48
        Proof of pay to play.

        Why is it the fake news advocates are always posting the most obscure links are hard evidence?
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        • #49
          Originally posted by SexWithRobots View Post
          Proof of pay to play.

          Why is it the fake news advocates are always posting the most obscure links are hard evidence?
          It's all they have got. Well, that and Facebook.
          Originally posted by nedezero1;
          Good. More lib fake news correspondents need to be assaulted when they get too pushy.
          http://www.harmonycentral.com/forum/...nches-reporter


          The emails giveth and the emails taketh away

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Tom Hicks View Post
            A well rested account!
            Ya reckon the Ruskies have activated a sleeper cell on HCPP? I've been hearing how Russian troll farms are doing this sort of thing.
            Originally posted by nedezero1;
            Good. More lib fake news correspondents need to be assaulted when they get too pushy.
            http://www.harmonycentral.com/forum/...nches-reporter


            The emails giveth and the emails taketh away

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            • #51
              It appears that we can expect 4 more years of this nonsense. If you can't find a crime in 8 years your either not trying or there is no crime

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              • #52
                Originally posted by BadDaddy View Post

                I'm still waiting to see Powell or Rice's emails, but then I guess no one cares about them anyway, right?
                They didn't run for POTUS...

                I'm generally a progressive, but I think the whole narrative downplaying HRC's server is bizarre. In exactly the same way that it is painfully obvious that some incredibly shady sh*t went down between the Trump folks and the Russians, despite the fact that we have no actual proof yet, HRC very clearly used a private server to transfer classified information in an illegal manner. Not just against policy. Illegal. I am former Military Intelligence, and there is no question whatsoever that if I had handled classified information as she had, I'd be in Leavenworth right now making big rocks into smaller rocks. That is putting aside the fact that she lied to congress about it, telling them that the server was never used to transfer classified information.

                I am not suggesting that what she did was anywhere near the same magnitude as colluding with a hostile foreign entity to undermine the cornerstone of our democracy. I also do not think that HRC deliberately did anything to harm the country (although with her level of clearance she would unquestionably have been instructed in no uncertain terms how to/not to handle sensitive information related to national security, and she knowingly blew that off). The constant suggestions that "her emails" are a joke, a red herring, a construct of the right, etc., are completely false and quite hypocritical. Bear in mind that she was under investigation during the Obama administration, so it's not as if the genesis of that investigation was some partisan witch hunt.

                Imagine if it were Trump. Imagine he's been discovered using a private server to send tens of thousands of communications, which he claims were 100% personal or innocuous/not classified. Would anyone believe that? And if while under investigation, it's discovered that his aides had gone to the trouble of taking the computers associated with that server apart and had destroyed the hard drives with hammers, would that seem aboveboard to everyone? And if, while under investigation, he or a senior member of his team were to board a plane and have a private conversation with the Attorney General in charge of the investigation for 45 minutes, would anyone believe for one second that they'd spent that time discussing "golf"? Would anyone on the left snidely dismiss the entire affair as "Oh yeah, Trump's emails..."?

                HRC isn't the only person to have done this. She is, however, the only person I'm aware of who's done it, lied about it and then run for president. As much as she likes to blame James Comey for her loss, I wonder if she's ever considered for a moment that if she hadn't mishandled classified information, Comey would never have been a factor in her life or campaign.
                Last edited by strayGoat; 09-18-2017, 04:01 PM.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by strayGoat View Post

                  They didn't run for POTUS...

                  I'm generally a progressive, but I think the whole narrative downplaying HRC's server is bizarre. In exactly the same way that it is painfully obvious that some incredibly shady sh*t went down between the Trump folks and the Russians, despite the fact that we have no actual proof yet, HRC very clearly used a private server to transfer classified information in an illegal manner. Not just against policy. Illegal. I am former Military Intelligence, and there is no question whatsoever that if I had handled classified information as she had, I'd be in Leavenworth right now making big rocks into smaller rocks. That is putting aside the fact that she lied to congress about it, telling them that the server was never used to transfer classified information.

                  I am not suggesting that what she did was anywhere near the same magnitude as colluding with a hostile foreign entity to undermine the cornerstone of our democracy. I also do not think that HRC deliberately did anything to harm the country (although with her level of clearance she would unquestionably have been instructed in no uncertain terms how to/not to handle sensitive information related to national security, and she knowingly blew that off). The constant suggestions that "her emails" are a joke, a red herring, a construct of the right, etc., are completely false and quite hypocritical. Bear in mind that she was under investigation during the Obama administration, so it's not as if the genesis of that investigation was some partisan witch hunt.

                  Imagine if it were Trump. Imagine he's been discovered using a private server to send tens of thousands of communications, which he claims were 100% personal or innocuous/not classified. Would anyone believe that? And if while under investigation, it's discovered that his aides had gone to the trouble of taking the computers associated with that server apart and had destroyed the hard drives with hammers, would that seem aboveboard to everyone? And if, while under investigation, he or a senior member of his team were to board a plane and have a private conversation with the Attorney General in charge of the investigation for 45 minutes, would anyone believe for one second that they'd spent that time discussing "golf"? Would anyone on the left snidely dismiss the entire affair as "Oh yeah, Trump's emails..."?

                  HRC isn't the only person to have done this. She is, however, the only person I'm aware of who's done it, lied about it and then run for president. As much as she likes to blame James Comey for her loss, I wonder if she's ever considered for a moment that if she hadn't mishandled classified information, Comey would never have been a factor in her life or campaign.
                  We really should have some sort of investigation to determine if there were any illegal actions undertaken by Ms. Clinton.

                  Oh.....wait.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by slodge View Post

                    We really should have some sort of investigation to determine if there were any illegal actions undertaken by Ms. Clinton.

                    Oh.....wait.
                    Thanks for ignoring basically my entire post and then responding to it anyway. Always impressive to see someone making the effort to apply logic to his position.

                    The fact that she wasn't prosecuted does not mean that she did not commit a crime. Comey said as much. Clearly she mishandled classified information, which is a crime. Comey did NOT ever say that HRC did not act illegally. Difficult to prosecute without the physical evidence that she destroyed.

                    I voted for her anyway, because she'd have been a million times better than the raging dumpster fire we've got now. But it's naive at best to paint her as an innocent lamb who played only a minor role in her own election failure.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by slodge View Post

                      We really should have some sort of investigation to determine if there were any illegal actions undertaken by Ms. Clinton.

                      Oh.....wait.
                      Better yet, an organization like the FBI could take a respectable length of time (say a year) to look into these allegations. Even better, have a republican in charge of the probe to assure no favoritism towards her. That will surely satisfy people?
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                      • #56
                        These are the same emails that Comey and the FBI examined in October of 2016. Does that count as "new?"

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Tom Hicks View Post

                          Better yet, an organization like the FBI could take a respectable length of time (say a year) to look into these allegations. Even better, have a republican in charge of the probe to assure no favoritism towards her. That will surely satisfy people?
                          Right. Because everyone knows that any wealthy, high-ranking politician who is investigated for a crime but is not prosecuted is completely innocent. I keep forgetting that no one in D.C. ever gets away with anything... My mistake.

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                          • Tom Hicks
                            Tom Hicks commented
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                            Sarcasm like that easily justifies a fresh investigation lasting years and costing Millions.

                        • #58
                          Originally posted by strayGoat View Post

                          Right. Because everyone knows that any wealthy, high-ranking politician who is investigated for a crime but is not prosecuted is completely innocent. I keep forgetting that no one in D.C. ever gets away with anything... My mistake.
                          You have posted more in the past week than the previous 9 years. Have you been in a coma? Was the OP in the same ward as you? Strange you would both end up in the same thread on the same side after all these years.

                          Originally posted by nedezero1;
                          Good. More lib fake news correspondents need to be assaulted when they get too pushy.
                          http://www.harmonycentral.com/forum/...nches-reporter


                          The emails giveth and the emails taketh away

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                          • SteinbergerHack
                            SteinbergerHack commented
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                            Curiouser and curiouser.....

                        • #59
                          Originally posted by strayGoat View Post

                          They didn't run for POTUS...

                          I'm generally a progressive, but I think the whole narrative downplaying HRC's server is bizarre. In exactly the same way that it is painfully obvious that some incredibly shady sh*t went down between the Trump folks and the Russians, despite the fact that we have no actual proof yet, HRC very clearly used a private server to transfer classified information in an illegal manner. Not just against policy. Illegal. I am former Military Intelligence, and there is no question whatsoever that if I had handled classified information as she had, I'd be in Leavenworth right now making big rocks into smaller rocks. That is putting aside the fact that she lied to congress about it, telling them that the server was never used to transfer classified information.

                          I am not suggesting that what she did was anywhere near the same magnitude as colluding with a hostile foreign entity to undermine the cornerstone of our democracy. I also do not think that HRC deliberately did anything to harm the country (although with her level of clearance she would unquestionably have been instructed in no uncertain terms how to/not to handle sensitive information related to national security, and she knowingly blew that off). The constant suggestions that "her emails" are a joke, a red herring, a construct of the right, etc., are completely false and quite hypocritical. Bear in mind that she was under investigation during the Obama administration, so it's not as if the genesis of that investigation was some partisan witch hunt.

                          Imagine if it were Trump. Imagine he's been discovered using a private server to send tens of thousands of communications, which he claims were 100% personal or innocuous/not classified. Would anyone believe that? And if while under investigation, it's discovered that his aides had gone to the trouble of taking the computers associated with that server apart and had destroyed the hard drives with hammers, would that seem aboveboard to everyone? And if, while under investigation, he or a senior member of his team were to board a plane and have a private conversation with the Attorney General in charge of the investigation for 45 minutes, would anyone believe for one second that they'd spent that time discussing "golf"? Would anyone on the left snidely dismiss the entire affair as "Oh yeah, Trump's emails..."?

                          HRC isn't the only person to have done this. She is, however, the only person I'm aware of who's done it, lied about it and then run for president. As much as she likes to blame James Comey for her loss, I wonder if she's ever considered for a moment that if she hadn't mishandled classified information, Comey would never have been a factor in her life or campaign.
                          Well, first of all, when the investigation of Hillary Clinton's use of an private email server became under investigation she hadn't officially announced her intention to campaign for President, but then if she or Powell and Rice had broken the law their political aspirations shouldn't have had any impact on whether any of them were investigated or not.

                          We have no idea what information was sent or received on Powell or Rice's private servers, as unlike Hillary Clinton both ignored the government's request for copies of all work related emails they sent or received on their private servers.

                          When you claim that Hillary Clinton lied, please post a credible, verifiable link, as FBI Director Comey testified before a Congressional committee while under oath that Hillary Clinton did not lie to the FBI during their investigation of her use of a private server to conduct government business.

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                          • #60
                            Originally posted by strayGoat View Post
                            I'm generally a progressive, but I think the whole narrative downplaying HRC's server is bizarre. In exactly the same way that it is painfully obvious that some incredibly shady sh*t went down between the Trump folks and the Russians, despite the fact that we have no actual proof yet, HRC very clearly used a private server to transfer classified information in an illegal manner. Not just against policy. Illegal.
                            Zero emails contained classification headers.

                            In Comey's testimony to congress, when pressed, even he agreed that it would be a "reasonable inference" for an expert in classification to assume that none of those emails were classified because whoever sent those did not follow the proper protocol.


                            Originally posted by strayGoat View Post
                            And if while under investigation, it's discovered that his aides had gone to the trouble of taking the computers associated with that server apart and had destroyed the hard drives with hammers, would that seem aboveboard to everyone?
                            The phones? If I recall correctly, one of the memos/directives discussed destruction of old hardware.

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